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    Default Re: What has been happening to Tires?

    Veloflex remains my go-to for sub 28c tires. Usually thumb fit on several different rims.

    That said, I've also encountered more tight fitting tires in recent years. Really need to work the center channel in the rim for every mm on newer tubeless setups.

    Yesterday I mounted some old Clement LAS tires on Velocity rims - they slid right on, no problem.

    FWIW, I run Vittoria latex tubes with good luck. They ride well and I like the smooth valve stems, too.

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    Default Re: What has been happening to Tires?

    Has anyone tried the Wolfpack clinchers?

    Wolfpack Tires - German High-end Bicycle Tire Technology
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Strongin View Post
    I think I know the sound you're talking about. Any of the current generation Vittoria Corsas I've tried have felt like they were robbing me of at least 50 watts riding in a straight line. The upside is that they were so fragile that I had to replace them after a couple rides anyway, so at least I didn't have to suffer long.

    Veloflex Corsas, on the other hand, are great, but they're fragile compared with the GP5000.

    Yours is the opposite of my experience. The current gen Vittoria Corsa (graphene) tires make no noise in the corners, and I've pushed them to the point where they were sliding. They also have great traction and very low rolling resistance (both by tests and the perceived feel). And they wear like iron and don't get flats.

    Maybe you got a bad batch. I had that happen with Veloflex about 10 years ago. The tires would chirp in corners even at moderate speeds. I thought it was funny and would even try to get the sound. It didn't take long for that to go from humorous to irritating so I got rid of them. I figured something went wrong in the rubber mfg process.

    Count me as a yes vote for latex tubes. Only the Michelin green latex though.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    You know, despite my many years of tartiness and wankery with bikes, I've still never tried latex tubes on clinchers...
    Sorry? How can you be in the “I prefer tubulars” camp if you’ve never tried latex tubes?

    For what it’s worth, i loved the ride but hated needing to pump your tires up for an early morning ride (unless you over inflated them the night before). Latest tubeless is an easy match for mine.

    On a side note, putting talc on tubes seems to have moved from “you just do” to some sort of dark art or secret sauce. When did that happen?
     

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    We launched these late last year. They compare favorably to other premium tires.

    Goodyear Eagle F1 ups their game with new top-level road racing tires - Bikerumor

    FWIW, if I wasn't going to shill for my employer I'd go with Conti GP5000-TL's. They aren't fragile like the Vittorias and Veloflexs tend to be. They roll as well as anything else out there.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisco View Post
    Has anyone tried the Wolfpack clinchers?

    Wolfpack Tires - German High-end Bicycle Tire Technology
    I've got 11 women on them. They all seem to be quite pleased, especially with the grip in cornering. I wouldn't expect anything less from Wolfgang. Sizing is pretty true on a 17mm internal width rim. I'd recommend giving them a shot. Especially if you've previously been a fan of Turbos or GP4000s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinmclelland View Post
    Sorry? How can you be in the “I prefer tubulars” camp if you’ve never tried latex tubes?

    For what it’s worth, i loved the ride but hated needing to pump your tires up for an early morning ride (unless you over inflated them the night before). Latest tubeless is an easy match for mine.

    On a side note, putting talc on tubes seems to have moved from “you just do” to some sort of dark art or secret sauce. When did that happen?
    Latex tubes always seemed like attempting to recreate tubulars but, as others have commented, without any of the reliability and with even more fragility.

    As a tubular user, I generally have to pump up my tyres for every ride anyway - for me it's just part of the ritual.

    Ahhh, talc. When I went back to work in a bike shop as a career break about 9yrs ago I smiled to myself when the chief mechanic insisted that all innertube installs were to be done with talc. We soon got bored of that, though...

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    Wolfpack Tires looks like an interesting company.
    Might give their tires a whirl to see what I think of them.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Jays View Post
    Wolfpack Tires looks like an interesting company.
    Might give their tires a whirl to see what I think of them.
    The 'Race Cotton' in tanwall look lovely. The 26c would be ideal for the Parlee.

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    Yes, @RichTheRoadie. Love tires in the 25/26/27 mm range, too.
    Will need to take a different approach to brakes to go any wider. :-)
     

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    Hi Scott,
    I am riding American Classic Sprint 350
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinmclelland View Post
    On a side note, putting talc on tubes seems to have moved from "you just do" to some sort of dark art or secret sauce. When did that happen?
    For me it happened back in the 90's.

    "Talcum is one of the more durable urban legends. There is no benefit in putting talcum or substitute powder on a tube or in a tire." -- Jobst Brandt

    Talcum Powder for Tubes and Tires by Jobst Brandt

    It also helps that I had gotten wind of the health issues associated with talcum powder, from a scientist working for a certain pharmaceutical company, and decided to make it scarce in my household.
    Johnson & Johnson to pay $4.7bn damages in talc cancer case - BBC News
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    Went into the local drug store last year and no talc. The pharmacist explained the situation. She even had a print out that detailed the medical issues.
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    Has anyone tried the new panaracer EVO4 yet?
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    Come me as a vittoria fan. They ride and corner great and I've not had problems with durability as a result of cuts, rock strikes, etc. They don't last as long as some other tires from a treadwear perspective but that's fine.

    I've never tried latex tubes.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydesteel View Post
    Has anyone tried the new panaracer EVO4 yet?
    I really liked the EVO3 which I've used in regular road and then in their limited production EVO3 Gravel Race model. The latter is what 2 out of the 3 bikes staring at me right now have on them. I think they are really durable actually and ride nicely. But no, haven't tried the EVO4 yet.

    If you are in the states - and your local bike shop doesn't carry them - Excel Sports usually has the best prices and stock on Panaracer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydesteel View Post
    Has anyone tried the new panaracer EVO4 yet?
    I've the 28mm versions, they measure 28mm on DT411 rims, unlike the Gravel versions
    that measure 26.6mm.
    Round, slick, they're fine, no flats, mounted without drama, the bead is sorta square like
    a tubeless tyre.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    The 'Race Cotton' in tanwall look lovely. The 26c would be ideal for the Parlee.
    Have you still got one of those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinmclelland View Post
    Have you still got one of those?
    Ha! I will have for at least as long as this damn virus stops me doing non-essential stuff like attempting to pack and send big things internationally...

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    @rydesteel
    Yes. I use both the Gravel King and the Race A EVO4 in 25, 26, 28 and 32. The Gravel King tire is now being marketed as a gravel tire and may have changed but I've been using them as training tires for the last three or four years. Before that I used Vittoria Pave which tended not to last as long but otherwise seem more or less the same.

    It rides a little softer than the Race A and sometimes I think it might be faster but I don't have clearance for the 26 on one of my bikes. Both tires last a reasonable amount of time (~3200kms) and I'm not especially heavy (70kg). I use the Panaracer rAir tubes with talc and after six months the tubes are stuck to the tire but not completely adhered so it may or may not actually be doing anything. They tires are very competitively priced, I can corner at speed and have no problems on regular and fire roads. I know a lot of people who race crits and road on Panaracers, they're fine tires.
     

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