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    Froome won 3 Grand-tours in a row in less than 1 year, I think it is a greater achievement than winning 5 tours in a row while focusing on only one race in the calendar. I'm pretty sure Sky will somewhat be "forced" to let Thomas defend his titlle. Froome might want to try again that Giro/Tour double before he retires, albeit with a slightly different preparation. My takes is they will enter the tour with a comparable strategy next year. Actually this is quite a comfortable position for SKY. That podium position for Froome mean they will still have a joker next year if Thomas crashes out or something unexpected happens (we didn't have that many echelons this year).

    I don't want to diminish Geraint Thomas performance but I'm pretty sure the TDF winner would have been Froome or Dumoulin hadn't they raced the Giro. It was brutal this year.

    The question marks are these : will Dumoulin target the tour only next year ? I think he should (that would make for an easier chance for Froome in the Giro and possibly an easier one). How much will Roglic improve in the next 12 months and will Kruiswick play the "good teammate"role this time ?
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    Don’t agree that Froome or Dumoulin would have won if they hadn’t raced the Giro.......GT was flying this year and he held back in the final TT. Maybe it would have been closer but Geraint got some self-belief after winning the Dauphine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabo View Post
    If Froome would not have ridden the Giro he would likely stand at 5 wins now.
    Kind of don't understand why he didn't.
    Thats a nice list to be in : Merkcx-Hinault-Indurain
    He didn't because if his salbutamol case went the other way, he would have had 0 grand tours in 2018.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by corko View Post
    Don’t agree that Froome or Dumoulin would have won if they hadn’t raced the Giro.......GT was flying this year and he held back in the final TT. Maybe it would have been closer but Geraint got some self-belief after winning the Dauphine.
    But if Froome /Sky would have opted for a fifth-and just the tour, I doubt that GT would have been allowed a shot at it. Just guessing.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by skouri1 View Post
    He didn't because if his salbutamol case went the other way, he would have had 0 grand tours in 2018.
    It will eventually
     

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    The stage into Paris always reminds me how beautiful riding and racing a bike are, which gets lost in the kerfuffle of the previous weeks. And to see it in Paris of all places...

    A glorious pageant. Something truly special.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by corko View Post
    Don’t agree that Froome or Dumoulin would have won if they hadn’t raced the Giro.......GT was flying this year and he held back in the final TT. Maybe it would have been closer but Geraint got some self-belief after winning the Dauphine.
    Agree with this completely. Thomas looked invincible. Dumoulin didn't look worse for wear from the Giro,
    it's hard to see where he could take time from Thomas, who climbs better, and seemed as strong in the final TT
    as anyone. If not for Froome being the perceived leader, GT could have possibly even ridden more aggressively
    in the mountains, it wasn't until Froome showed cracks that Thomas even rode for 'himself' at any of the finishes.
    Ultimately, woulda, coulda, shoulda. GT was perfect.

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    So glad it wasn't Demare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrevich4 View Post
    So glad it wasn't Demare.
    Why ? I'm happy Kristoff save his Tour but don't understand your reasonning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corko View Post
    Don’t agree that Froome or Dumoulin would have won if they hadn’t raced the Giro.......GT was flying this year and he held back in the final TT. Maybe it would have been closer but Geraint got some self-belief after winning the Dauphine.
    Dumoulin was very generous in his comments about Thomas http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dumo...t-three-weeks/
     

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    Cannot believe Tony Martin lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joosttx View Post
    Cannot believe Tony Martin lost.
    He was so close...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    Froome won 3 Grand-tours in a row in less than 1 year, I think it is a greater achievement than winning 5 tours in a row while focusing on only one race in the calendar. I'm pretty sure Sky will somewhat be "forced" to let Thomas defend his titlle. Froome might want to try again that Giro/Tour double before he retires, albeit with a slightly different preparation. My takes is they will enter the tour with a comparable strategy next year. Actually this is quite a comfortable position for SKY. That podium position for Froome mean they will still have a joker next year if Thomas crashes out or something unexpected happens (we didn't have that many echelons this year).

    I don't want to diminish Geraint Thomas performance but I'm pretty sure the TDF winner would have been Froome or Dumoulin hadn't they raced the Giro. It was brutal this year.

    The question marks are these : will Dumoulin target the tour only next year ? I think he should (that would make for an easier chance for Froome in the Giro and possibly an easier one). How much will Roglic improve in the next 12 months and will Kruiswick play the "good teammate"role this time ?
    Winning the three tours in a 12 month period is certainly impressive.

    But, it is a performance that papers over the fact that Froome now is not the same rider circa 2013 and 2015 who could destroy the field on a single mountain stage.

    In any event, he still won those races (asthma drug bust aside) and it is a feat not likely to be equaled any time soon.

    I imagine Sky will do exactly as you say and defend with GT with Froome in the wings if need be. But, this is not a long term strategy as Thomas will be 33 next year and Froome 34. The only comparable challenger in age is Porte, but he can't seem to stay on the bike for three weeks at a time (mind you, GT had the same problem until this year).

    Dumoulin will probably only target one race and perhaps needs to have a bit more self-confidence. This is the guy in 2017 who dropped the climbers on one mountain top finish and set the fastest time down the Stelvio, yet opted to ride conservatively when chasing Froome.

    Roglic should improve and clearly does not lack confidence.

    The course (of course) also has a bearing on who targets what and how the race is run and won. The short mountain stage worked and while Sky were able to dictate terms, it proved to be more effective than a 200km four climb trip through the mountains.
     

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    There will always be a question mark over Froomes performances for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    Why ? I'm happy Kristoff save his Tour but don't understand your reasonning.
    Seems there's a lot of smoke around him and sticky bottles, plus some dodgy lines in the sprints that he has gotten away with. I thought his line in the Sagan vs. Cavendish crash stage last year was far more egregious for instance. So I was glad someone else won though I was hoping it would be Degenkolb.
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    Last edited by sk_tle; 07-31-2018 at 08:58 AM.
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    Though he did drop one bottle, so there's room for improvement also.
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