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    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    Should Lionel buy them ?

    Surprisingly I think he should. Because feeling fast beats being actually fast when you are not a racer, and Lionel isn't one. Because when he opens a thread asking for advice on something he is not really asking for any advice. His mind is unconsciously made up but he just needs time and entertainment on the journey to acceptance.
    Nicely summed up @sk_tle
     

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    Default Re: Thinking about Lightweight Meilenstein

    I enjoy Lionel's habit of including us in his already-justified purchase decisions. Much better than me starting a thread about the Rothera cap I've decided to buy.
    Dan Fuller, local bicycle enthusiast

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    Do it, dan.

    Edit: buy the hat I mean.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by zambenini View Post
    Do it, dan.
    Iíll always support a Rothera purchase. Great caps.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    I've ordered these babies in 16/20 24mm. They will either go on the Aerotack or (most probably) on the Spectrum.
    I predict initial excitement then eventual disappointment (see F10 experience). I could be wrong. Easily resellable if my prediction comes true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogrange View Post
    I predict initial excitement then eventual disappointment (see F10 experience). I could be wrong. Easily resellable if my prediction comes true.
    We will see, I doubt it as I had gen III LW for a couple of years before and liked them.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    We will see, I doubt it as I had gen III LW for a couple of years before and liked them.
    Yes, but where are they now? Sold, I think . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogrange View Post
    Yes, but where are they now? Sold, I think . . .
    Yes but for reasons that I think they have fixed or significantly improved.
     

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    It is well established that Lionel likes light bike stuff. I predict he’ll like the Meilensteins.
    La Cheeserie!

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    Default Re: Thinking about Lightweight Meilenstein

    Seeing Lionelís post in the postman thread reminded me of these.

    I donít understand Lightweights. By all accounts (i have never ridden them) they are awesome in some circumstances. Crosswinds are apparently not one of those circumstances.

    Any cycling punter could tell you the profile on an open mold set of rims from Alibaba would probably be less affected by crosswinds than the Lightweightsí sharp profile. You donít need to be an aerodynamics researcher anymore.

    At full fat retail pricing i can understand stupidly expensive, but not stupidly expensive and sketchy...

    So why donít Lighweight just change it? Would they giving anything up to avoid crosswind sketchiness? They could be awesome AND instead of awesome BUT.
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    Internet tales are just that. I have not ridden then new ones yet but despite the cross wind issue and average braking I really liked my gen3. I think these will be better. Plenty of people just love their LW. In the group I ride with in France there is at least 5 people using them including ex-pros who bought them at full retail and would not ride anything else.

    The finish on these is top notch way better than my gen3.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinmclelland View Post
    So why donít Lighweight just change it? Would they giving anything up to avoid crosswind sketchiness? They could be awesome AND instead of awesome BUT.
    The brand is named lightweight for a reason. Imho they aren't the least interested by aero and the deep profile role is to provide stiffness and upport for the carbon spokes. By all accounts the vshape is pretty much the one that gives the lightest rim. I've purchased a number of open mold carbon mid-deep profile rims (35 to 45mm) over the years and as the shape became more and more bulb like the weight of the rims increased. There is simply more material needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinmclelland View Post
    So why don’t Lighweight just change it?
    They did for the Fernweg - they just haven’t changed the profile of their 40-50mm deep rims (I forget the actual depth?).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    Plenty of people are afraid to look stupid in admitting they don’t love their LW.
    FIFY...

    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    Imho they aren't the least interested by aero
    They are - see above mention of their Fernweg range (which is apparently now also available in 60mm depth, btw).

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    So, I just watched stage 8 of the TdF, where one of the F12 bikes asexually reproduces by splitting into two.

    Whatís the story with Lightweight wheels then? Do you just put them in the new frame? Or would you need to X-ray them to be safe

    Expensive crash.
    Colin Mclelland

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    Well the rear wheel has a broken spoke so it's either back to the factory or into the dumpster
     

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    Ineos is riding on LW for hilly stages it seems. Not sure what the back story is on this. Great wheels.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    Ineos is riding on LW for hilly stages it seems. Not sure what the back story is on this. Great wheels.
    Lots of speculation about how they were provided / purchased - my theory is they were probably purchased but not at the same kind of prices that most of us here would have to pay (I suspect they were provided at cost).

    As expensive as they are, as much as I hated them in crosswinds and as harsh as I found my old clincher ones (and despite what I might have said earlier on in this thread), I have to confess if I had the money for a set of 24E tubulars right now I probably would - I have been sucked in by how damn good they look of late... Luckily (for my marriage) I'm unlikely to be in the position to splurge AU$6k on a set for a loooooong time yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    Ineos is riding on LW for hilly stages it seems. Not sure what the back story is on this. Great wheels.
    Cycling tips has the background with an ititial story here Team Ineos swaps to Lightweights for climbing stages | CyclingTips

    And then a bit more from the "Secret Pro"

    Bonjour readers,

    Much has been made of Team Ineos switching from their official sponsor's wheels to Lightweight for the climbing stages. This is no secret now, but here's a bit of extra insight that you won't read in any of the reports...

    First off, Ineos canít get their Pinarello F12s down to 6.8kg, and itís been a huge issue internally. They're a very heavy bike for a team so obsessed with marginal gains. The team have resorted to tricks like using ultra-minimal bidon cages to try and bring the weight down, but they're too flimsy, and they end up losing bottles all the time.

    Contrary to what's being reported, Ineos didnít buy the Lightweights (which are about 6000 Euro per set). The way the arrangement works is Lightweight gives them the wheels on the condition that they keep the logos on them. Lightweight (and CarbonSports, their parent company) get to tell the story of teams buying their stuff. Or actually, the media does this job for them.

    Ineos received the Lightweights before the Tour de France as a morale booster for the team as they were all a bit demotivated after Froome crashed. The guys are stoked and feel like they have an advantage on them. At this level of racing, it's more in the mind than in the body, so whatever works! TSP
    Making the F12 4 Pinnarello units too stiff must make them a bit heavier...
    Colin Mclelland

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    Default Re: Thinking about Lightweight Meilenstein

    secret pro is fan fiction, right?
    i doubt team sky is lacking morale. GT so far appears in excellent shape and is the reigning champ.
    that team is nuts. would have had (at least) 3 viable tour winners in team had froome been there.
    i'd still like a set of lightweights. i would tell people that I bought them. :)
     

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