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    Default Steel Might See a Rebirth in Manufacturing of Bikes in the European Again

    An interesting article that suggests steel might see a rebirth in the manufacturing of bikes in Europe again.

    CapoVelo.com | Can a New Hi-Tech Steel Revolutionize Frame Production in Europe?

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    Default Re: Steel Might See a Rebirth in Manufacturing of Bikes in the European Again

    Oliver Naesen of AG2R did ride a steel Eddy Merckx frame in the final stage of the TdF yesterday though it didn't look anything like that Steelworks creation.

    Oliver Naesen rode a custom steel framed Eddy Merckx bike on stage 21 of the Tour de France - Cycling Weekly
     

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    This is a bit silly. People want (if in fact they really do want...) steel, or at the very least lament its absence because the material is so heavily tethered (inseparable) from the maker and independent shop experience. As far as I'm reading, the reason nonferrous options have supplanted all else is because they lend themselves better to checking all the boxes, especially when production is considered. Frame builders (once) made bicycles; the industry manufactures them. I'm quite fond of the latter, by the way. I'm more interested in a price point frames from a big brand (Trek, or Specialized, or Cannondale, or _______ ) than a mediocre frame from a shop with lack of experience.

    This link takes us to a nice story about how steel may become relevant again. But it reads like these frames will take the resources of an established factory, and not something a shop would dabble in. And if and when this becomes real, we'll have even more cookie-cutter SKUs than we do in 2019. Does it really matter what they're made from?

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    Default Re: Steel Might See a Rebirth in Manufacturing of Bikes in the European Again

    Would this help eliminate the mountain of defective frames that appear to come from the carbon frame factories?
     

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    Default Re: Steel Might See a Rebirth in Manufacturing of Bikes in the European Again

    Quote Originally Posted by ericpmoss View Post
    Would this help eliminate the mountain of defective frames that appear to come from the carbon frame factories?
    How could that possibly happen?

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    Galvanized steel bike, not sure that will catch on.
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    Default Re: Steel Might See a Rebirth in Manufacturing of Bikes in the European Again

    Someone on the group ride will be able to make the traffic light change. Usually that's me on the Merckx, GT, or Pegoretti, but sometimes I'm just a sheep on a Ti bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    Someone on the group ride will be able to make the traffic light change.
    Funny , and so true.
    My excuse for riding through red on my carbon.
    I wish the drivers would understand.
     

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    Default Re: Steel Might See a Rebirth in Manufacturing of Bikes in the European Again

    No chance.
    That bike was a conversation piece.

    PS
    most lights are controlled by cameras, not some underground magnet.
    look at the pole the light is on... see the camera pointed at you?
    You may not have enough mass to set it off but its not set off by the steel in yr bike.
     

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    Default Re: Steel Might See a Rebirth in Manufacturing of Bikes in the European Again

    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    How could that possibly happen?
    Not directly, of course. Maybe this hydro-formed steel frame can satisfy the marketing requirement for swoopy shapes, do it affordably, and do it with a very low rejection rate.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericpmoss View Post
    Not directly, of course. Maybe this hydro-formed steel frame can satisfy the marketing requirement for swoopy shapes, do it affordably, and do it with a very low rejection rate.
    Why would the material make it more palatable, or profitable than ay other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    Why would the material make it more palatable, or profitable than ay other?
    Mimetic desire gives us... The Emperor’s new frame material?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTX1 View Post
    Mimetic desire gives us... The Emperor’s new frame material?
    All the tailors are dead, or in New Jersey (Desperately Seeking Susan reference...)

    Material is just stuff.
    Not a magic bullet.

    That. Is. All.

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    Was over in Amsterdam last year and asked the shop (that used to sell nice steel bikes) about steel (racing) frames.
    "None" they said. And the re-start of RIH already closed again.
    The focus probably most on the price, and what the bike means (or people think it means) in competitive edge.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabo View Post
    Was over in Amsterdam last year and asked the shop (that used to sell nice steel bikes) about steel (racing) frames.
    "None" they said. And the re-start of RIH already closed again.
    The focus probably most on the price, and what the bike means (or people think it means) in competitive edge.
    Bicycles have become commodities.
    Appliances.

    It's been that way for two decades.
    Maybe more.

    The notion that a material brings romance, and hope - this is simpleminded.

    Again. All the tailors have died.
    Or. Soon. Will.

    Those that touch steel daily are so marginalized.
    They won't make a dent in the bigger picture.
    (Assuming that matters to anyone.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabo View Post
    Was over in Amsterdam last year and asked the shop (that used to sell nice steel bikes) about steel (racing) frames.
    Racing bikes are dead. Mountain bikes, E-bikes, and gravel bikes are the future.
    If you're good enough to race, you're not paying retail. The rest will be riding
    something else that makes more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericpmoss View Post
    Would this help eliminate the mountain of defective frames that appear to come from the carbon frame factories?
    What are you basing your statement on? Are you saying the production of carbon frames produces a large number of out of spec, non-sellable units?

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    I can't see the rebirth of steel in mass produced bikes ever supplanting the important role of the artisan framebuilder, and the sense of "guild" the builder provides the proud recipient of one of his or her frames. But, provided this new steel ever comes to fruition, it would be interesting to see if the manufacturing process might be restored in Europe. Granted this is a new type of steel will likely come preformed with little room for customization, but it would still be nice to see French bikes made in France, Italian bikes made in Italy and so forth like they once were.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    Why would the material make it more palatable, or profitable than ay other?
    I think we are talking past each other.

    Last year, someone posted photos of enormous piles of rejected carbon fiber frames, rims, and parts from Asian factories. That horrifies me, if not on the same scale as say, Rwanda.

    It seems to me that the steel forming process being described would result in basically zero rejected frames, which could help make it competitive as well as maybe less polluting overall.

    I think a lot of people buying lower-end carbon bikes are looking for stuff that *looks* like what the pros use.

    So I'm wondering if this could, rather than being a total waste as you seem to imply, a viable alternative to labor-intensive but still mediocre string-n-glue frames that have a certain aesthetic.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    Bicycles have become commodities.
    Appliances.
    And I don't know if that's a bad thing.
    Personally, the hardware (the bike) was always an important part of the experience of cycling.
    The older I get, the activity, and the fit-and feel what's under me is way more important.
     

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