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    Default Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    This has been a rumor for awhile but is now official. I'm a fan of eTap but always had a hard time digesting the price. This addresses that concern and keeps my bike from getting too light

    https://cyclingtips.com/2021/04/sram-rival-axs-review/

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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    If you could figure out how to properly chamfer them, you could probably punch 200g worth of holes in the crankarms alone -)

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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    The same price and ONLY 900 grams heavier than Ultegra. Deal! oh wait, only have to wait 9 months instead of 22 until itís available though?

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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    2 pounds heavier? Yikes. No thanks. I know weight doesn’t “matter” but we all like a light bike. Not that I’m really their target customer anyway, but that’s too high a weight penalty.
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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    I wonder if there is enough Ultegra around for Shimano to put it on sale. Seems like non-electronic Ultegra equipped bikes versus Rival AXS equipped bikes in the price point wars.

    Or maybe Shimano will introduce 105 Di2?

    What's the price difference on assembly with Shimano Di2 versus SRAM AXS? Is it cheaper to push a SRAM AXS equipped bike out of the factory?

    Re weight: It is electronic. I don't think weight is going to be a negative versus electronic. Price will be. I've seen it suggested this will be spec'd on bikes as low (which isn't really low, mind you) as $2500. These days, everything on a $2500 bike is heavy. Here is a $3200 (to be conservative as I doubt this will go on $2500 bikes) bike:

    https://www.specialized.com/us/en/ta...ext=90621-6044

    Now put SRAM Rival AXS on that.

    Edit: Oh - Specialized beat me to it. They have it on a $4800 bike (pictured with a saddle adjusted by who? yeesh):

    https://www.specialized.com/us/en/ae...ext=97222-5049
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    I just grabbed some groupset weights from the interwebs and the 900 grams is spot on. I couldn't believe that when I first read it. I'm certainly not a weight weenie but paying MORE to add 2 lbs to my bike isn't high on my list of priorities.

    That's like carrying a spare rear wheel on every ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    I wonder if there is enough Ultegra around for Shimano to put it on sale. Seems like non-electronic Ultegra equipped bikes versus Rival AXS equipped bikes in the price point wars.

    Or maybe Shimano will introduce 105 Di2?

    What's the price difference on assembly with Shimano Di2 versus SRAM AXS? Is it cheaper to push a SRAM AXS equipped bike out of the factory?

    Re weight: It is electronic. I don't think weight is going to be a negative versus electronic. Price will be. I've seen it suggested this will be spec'd on bikes as low (which isn't really low, mind you) as $2500. These days, everything on a $2500 bike is heavy. Here is a $3200 (to be conservative as I doubt this will go on $2500 bikes) bike:

    https://www.specialized.com/us/en/ta...ext=90621-6044

    Now put SRAM Rival AXS on that.
    The 105 group on that Tarmac weighs ~180g more than the Ultegra. The Rival AXS would be ~700g more than that.

    And we thought the weight weenies went nuts over disc brakes. That chain sure looks cool though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by houston View Post
    The 105 group on that Tarmac weighs ~180g more than the Ultegra. The Rival AXS would be ~700g more than that.

    And we thought the weight weenies went nuts over disc brakes. That chain sure looks cool though!
    That's weird. Where does all that weight come from?
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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    As per usual, James Huang at CyclingTips has the most thorough overview.

    https://cyclingtips.com/2021/04/sram-rival-axs-review/
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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    As per usual, James Huang at CyclingTips has the most thorough overview.

    https://cyclingtips.com/2021/04/sram-rival-axs-review/
    Quote Originally Posted by James at Cycling Tips
    The biggest gain is seen at the crankset, which is now made of aluminum instead of the carbon fiber variants found in Force and Red. SRAM isn’t even using hollow-forged arms, either, instead opting for simpler solid-forged pieces with I-beam cross-sections for rigidity. The brake lever blades are also aluminum instead of carbon fiber, but those weight increases are less substantial.
    As usual, Rival holds most of its excess weight in its crank.
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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    I'm sad because this seems to be another nail in the coffin of Double Tap. I really like Double Tap.

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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    I don't mind the extra 2 lbs of a groupset, mainly because I am carrying an extra 35 right now. haha.

    I just bought grx di2 for the gravel bike and ultegra di2 for the road bike. I kind of wish I knew this was coming. I would have been more than happy with the rival setup with a red crankset. Maybe the Crockett can use wireless for no reason. ha

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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    Perfect group to pair with an axs compatible Rotor crank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philster View Post
    I'm sad because this seems to be another nail in the coffin of Double Tap. I really like Double Tap.
    Yeah, BikeRumor seems to suggest that cable-based systems are done for some groups but are they talking about gear shifting or rim brakes or both? Force 1x11 is kind of nifty.

    https://bikerumor.com/2021/04/15/sra...of-all-levels/

    Notably, Rival will now be wireless and hydraulic disc brake only. That’s right, no more mechanical Rival 2x groups, and no more rim brakes. However, SRAM will still offer RED and Force eTap AXS with a mechanical rim brake option – you just won’t find it at the Rival level.

    SRAM also states that Rival eTap AXS 1◊12 effectively cannibalizes Force 1◊11 mechanical. But, Rival 1◊11 mechanical and Apex 1◊11 mechanical will still be offered, having recently had their best years yet.
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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    Maybe these are headed for e-bikes.

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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Strongin View Post
    As usual, Rival holds most of its excess weight in its crank.
    ...which is a shame, because they made the Rival crank look So. Much. Better. than the butt ugly, cheap looking Force one. I mean, that wasn't hard, but still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Strongin View Post
    As usual, Rival holds most of its excess weight in its crank.
    Yeah, these two bits are porky. almost 300grams extra there,
    But i guess at the end of the day Sram is something like 100g heavier on every piece.

    Rival cassette 338g
    Rival Crank 860gr

    Ultegra cassette 250g
    Ultegra crank 675gr

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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    And it looks like Specialized is setting the price point at $4800, so that puts it squarely between Ultegra Di2 and Ultegra. Looks like Rival AXS is 852g more than Ultegra for ... well, there's only one Ultegra road bike in that price range now - Roubaix Comp for $4200 versus the Roubaix Comp w/Rival AXS for $4800. Actually that's the only Ultegra bike. And the first cable shifting bike in the lineup, counting down from most to least shekels. Everything above is electronic shifting.

    Does SRAM even sell their AXS stuff as anything other than an upgrade kit? I don't see full AXS groups in the places I usually look.

    I am going to guess that this isn't going to matter to most custom bicycle frame builders. This is all about retail floor space.
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    Default Re: Sram Rival eTap Now Available

    If I wasnít building a steel, canti equipped bike right now that Aethos with eRival that fits 32mm tires would be pretty damn compelling at that price.

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