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    Default A Priceless Read from the Rock Lobster Blog

    The market really should support the LIVING framebuilders more than the dead ones.

    Why hasn't Paul Sadoff been Smoked Out yet?

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    Default Re: A Priceless Read from the Rock Lobster Blog

    (snipped)
    "After more than 30 years in the business and many visits to bike shows, swaps and the like I have grown weary of the notion that some dead guy's bike is worth 20 times more than a living builders bike on the open used market. It is not a #$^%#$% Matisse ! "

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    Default Re: A Priceless Read from the Rock Lobster Blog

    that's great. sadoff needs to come get smoked out.
     

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    Default Re: A Priceless Read from the Rock Lobster Blog

    best steel bike I've ever owned (30 years worth): Rock Lobster

    when I stop racing I can see getting another steel from Paul

    or hell, if I ever spend more than 500 bucks on a frame again, I should just get 7005AL from him.
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    Sadoff is great. I raced a Lobster for a couple of years. I'll be back for another.
     

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    ahm...a confente is an important bike. a rock lobster isn't.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerk View Post
    ahm...a confente is an important bike. a rock lobster isn't.
    why? - Garro.
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    My rocklobster was my first custom and it's the best fitting best handling crit bike that I can ride for 5 hours in bliss and Paul seems like a pretty cool guy. Confente's are important in a hanging in a middleaged guys basement getting more polishing than his wife.
     

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    Value which transcends physical properties = historical importance. Nothing to do with skill or the finished product. The art world is full of it.
     

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    Default Re: A Priceless Read from the Rock Lobster Blog

    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    why? - Garro.
    Same reason a 1960 BSA Goldstar is more important than a late model Harley.
    Same reason a Willy Mays card is more valuable than a Barry Bonds card.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andys View Post
    Same reason a 1960 BSA Goldstar is more important than a late model Harley.
    Same reason a Willy Mays card is more valuable than a Barry Bonds card.
    you're talking value, not importance
    "make the break"

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    Quote Originally Posted by andys View Post
    Same reason a 1960 BSA Goldstar is more important than a late model Harley.
    Same reason a Willy Mays card is more valuable than a Barry Bonds card.
    Because it will make an 30-70yr old white guy {face it - that's the only pool of individuals who buy the items you mentioned} feel more important when he says he owns it? Sorry, but i'm not much of a "thing" guy {That said, my old RL frame is the only one I haven't given away, and only for personal setimental value, rode it through the Andes on my honeymoon, ect.} But...I'd rather own a raceable bike that I'm not scared to rip on made by a live guy who still offers customer service........"you gonna ride it, or look at it?" - XXOO - Garro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    But...I'd rather own a raceable bike that I'm not scared to rip on made by a live guy who still offers customer service........"you gonna ride it, or look at it?" - XXOO - Garro.
    that's why Sachs bikes are collectors objects: for 30+ years he builds bikes for ass-kicking that happen to be drool-worthy as a consequence of talent honed through years of craft.

    not because he self-consciously "fabricates" surface-level drool-worthy bikes that may or may not be built for ass-kicking

    the current fad for hobbyist/artisan curycue lugged bikes is cute, but I'd rather have a lifer like Paul TIG up a race rocket. no brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    Because it will make an 30-70yr old white guy {face it - that's the only pool of individuals who buy the items you mentioned} feel more important when he says he owns it?
    Don't forget the 40-70yr old Japanese collectors ; )
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    Default Re: A Priceless Read from the Rock Lobster Blog

    I've been lucky enough to see two Confentes in person, and they're very nice, but there are indeed modern builders doing better work. I say that without having ridden one.

    Some bike fetishists wouldn't approve of what I ride in the rain. I unsubscribed from that list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOOFUS View Post
    that's why Sachs bikes are collectors objects: for 30+ years he builds bikes for ass-kicking that happen to be drool-worthy as a consequence of talent honed through years of craft.

    not because he self-consciously "fabricates" surface-level drool-worthy bikes that may or may not be built for ass-kicking

    the current fad for hobbyist/artisan curycue lugged bikes is cute, but I'd rather have a lifer like Paul TIG up a race rocket. no brainer.
    I'm with you 100% - Garro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musgravecycles View Post
    Don't forget the 40-70yr old Japanese collectors ; )
    Good point! :} FWIW, I allready see this - Coconinos for sale that tout the fact that they are from my early building career as being valuble due to the low serial #. I don't get it. when asked what the best frame I ever made was my awnser is always the same: "the last one." Not that I'm saying that old bikes aren't cool, I just don't get the whole "collectable = big dollars" thing. It may be just because every year for 15yrs I would just give away everything I owned & go biking! - Garro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Polack View Post

    Why hasn't Paul Sadoff been Smoked Out yet?

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    Leave the poor guy where he his... he's doing fine.


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    I think the only real reason Mr. Sadoff hasn't been smoked out is that he isn't on this board... eRICHIE has said time and again it's for builders who have landed here.
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    Confente article, R.Howe

    After reading this, I finally understand why Confente's are so highly sought after. Learning is a wonderful thing.
     

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