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    Default My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    So my wife has a set of Enve 3.4 with 20 spokes up front and 24 in the rear laced to Chris King hubs. She weighs 120 lbs. The other day I was teasing her about the enormous power she was putting out, causing her bike to squeak. In actuality I'm shamed by her every time we ride and go up hill, but that's a topic for another thread. She didn't notice until I'd pointed it out to her and now she's annoyed because every time she goes up hill or winds up she hears this sound. We've confirmed its the break pads rubbing on the rim. I can see it actually happening. She's ridden a set of DT Swiss arc 1100 dicut 62 on the same bike and they don't rub (they are narrower but the breaks were adjusted a bit for this). I've tightened down the QR within reason as well.

    So what's do you think might be going on here? Enve/CK aren't very good? The wheel build is bad? What would you do next? I'm contemplating offloading them. Should I try having them rebuilt? Try another QR (currently the latest Enve)? Tell her to try and ignore it?
     

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Are your wife's a factory ENVE build or were they custom built? A few teammates ride those wheels, women and men ranging in weight from the low 100s to one very tall guy weighing at least 200. All of them have the same issue. I don't know for sure, but I assume they all bought factory built wheels, which may be a factor. Someone with experience with the rims and a custom build will likely have a better sense of whether that's the issue, but your I wouldn't say what your wife is experiencing is uncommon.
     

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    I always heard about Enve and HED factory wheels as radial noodles compared to say, Mavic Cosmic, Boras or Corimas.
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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Known issue.

    You might get some relief by switching to a proper closed cam QR, and/or opening up the brakes a bit.

    All the other solutions are more time/cost intensive.

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by TTX1 View Post
    ...opening up the brakes a bit.
    That’s the answer.

    Clamping the wheels harder at the hub won’t work, that’s not where the deflection is coming from.

    But the flex isn’t costing her much, if anything, so the other option is simply don’t mind the noise.

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Light. Aerodynamic. Stiff.....Pick two.
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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    (Iíll be playing the part of Lionel in this thread.)

    Boras.
     

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    In order of increasing cost:

    1 - Free - Open up the breaks.
    2 - $100-$150ish - Put stiffer spokes in the ENVE rear wheel.
    3 - $TBD Get a 28 spoke rear wheel.
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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    (I’ll be playing the part of Lionel in this thread.)

    Boras.
    I rode my Bora WTO 60s today. They definitely didn't rub the pads.
     

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Strongin View Post
    I rode my Bora WTO 60s today. They definitely didn't rub the pads.
    You're in Miami. You don't have to pedal up hills!
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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis View Post
    In order of increasing cost:

    1 - Free - Open up the breaks.
    2 - $100-$150ish - Put stiffer spokes in the ENVE rear wheel.
    3 - $TBD Get a 28 spoke rear wheel.
    DAMN IT!! *Brakes
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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    (I’ll be playing the part of Lionel in this thread.)

    Boras.
    Actually, that was my final solution to this exact problem.

    All other things being equal, the problem was solved.

    I have a hunch that the Enve wheels can be rebuilt without or with less flex.

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis View Post
    You're in Miami. You don't have to pedal up hills!
    But I do sprint a lot. And Iím not confined to Miami. ENVE makes a good wheel for steady riding. For dynamic riding, racing, etc, there are better options.
     

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Yup as people have already mentioned in this thread I had a set of Enve 3.4's laced to 240's and they would rub a lot, I am 210 pounds so I chalked it up to that and sold them. As Matt mentioned they were great for steady state type of riding but they were terrible for standing climbing/sprints and crits which ironically is what I bought them for.
     

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    They're terrble wheels unless you're going 19mph in a straight line.

    A couple of things you can do- have the rear wheel rebuilt with DT Aerolite spokes and tension the hell out of them and then have them tied and soldered. This is what we've done to every pair of misbehaving Enve wheels and it solves the problems for almost everyone.

    Such bad wheels.
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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by jerk View Post
    They're terrble wheels unless you're going 19mph in a straight line.

    A couple of things you can do- have the rear wheel rebuilt with DT Aerolite spokes and tension the hell out of them and then have them tied and soldered. This is what we've done to every pair of misbehaving Enve wheels and it solves the problems for almost everyone.

    Such bad wheels.
    This issue was pretty obvious when I was evaluating carbon clinchers 3 years ago. I ended up with 202s and they're excellent, albeit boring. Enve hoops look cool on a bike, but they're ultimately potato wheels - kinda a testament to how susceptible this sport is to aesthetics.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by krooj View Post
    ..... kinda a testament to how susceptible this sport is to aesthetics.
    exactly
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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Thanks everyone...I'll probably just sell them.
     

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Enve factory builds can be very conservative with spoke tension. Rebuild or maybe relace will fix it
     

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    Default Re: My wife's wheels rub the break pads when it gets steep...what should I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    Enve factory builds can be very conservative with spoke tension. Rebuild or maybe relace will fix it
    Spoke tension has nothing to do with wheel stiffness as long as the spokes are tight enough so they don’t go slack in use. Anything above that tension doesn’t improve stiffness.
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