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    Default Movement By Campagnolo - First Ride Report

    I don’t *need* 12-speed. You don’t *need* 12-speed. You should ride it, though. Seriously.

    Aesthetics are important to me - we all know that. In the past, sadly, aesthetics have even been enough to make me choose arguably second rate kit to make a bike look better (yes, I know...).

    The aesthetics of the 12-speed Campagnolo kit do not sit well with me. The rear mech is *ugly*. The cranks are shapeless and bland. The graphics... ugh.

    But the performance? OH. BOY.

    “Slick” doesn’t come close. If the mechanical stuff is this good, the 12-speed EPS is going to be some serious kit.

    More after tomorrow’s ride...

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    Default Re: Movement By Campagnolo - First Ride Report

    Post pics of the build.
    La Cheeserie!

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    Default Re: Movement By Campagnolo - First Ride Report

    Rich. I look forward to hearing your remarks (even if 12 speed campy is not at all on my radar). I am surprised that is slick, which sounds shimano-y.

    I have sat out the past couple generations and ridden the heck out of my 7900 gear. By now, there are actually some more tangible reasons to upgrade. The gear range and steps on a 12 speed cassette must be incredible. and then on the electronic front, there is syncro shift, which is intriguing...

    I am glad that companies are still investing in mechanical drive trains though, and this seems like a lovely example.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by skouri1 View Post
    Rich. I look forward to hearing your remarks (even if 12 speed campy is not at all on my radar). I am surprised that is slick, which sounds shimano-y.
    The light, slick precision of my Shimano rear shifting is the primary reason I have been migrating to Shimano the past couple years. If Campagnolo could equal or even surpass it I'd be very interested. I am agnostic on the rest of it, but the rear shifting of Shimano hooked me a number of years ago. I'd love to hear Campagnolo can match it now.
    La Cheeserie!

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    I admit the aesthetics allow me to overlook a lot of obvious flaws with Campagnolo. If they're going to make their groups ugly (and they damn sure have), they had better work as well or better than Shimano/SRAM.

    Rich, thank you for keeping us updated on your test. I'm eager to read more.
    -Jasper

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    Planning to first migrate the Spectrum in CA as this is my only road bike there. No urgency but it will happen. Next in line is the F10 that needs SR EPS, this would have to be upgraded as the same time as the Crumpton and all wheels around here. The Sachs will be sold by then.

    Always good to have a plan :)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    The light, slick precision of my Shimano rear shifting is the primary reason I have been migrating to Shimano the past couple years. If Campagnolo could equal or even surpass it I'd be very interested. I am agnostic on the rest of it, but the rear shifting of Shimano hooked me a number of years ago. I'd love to hear Campagnolo can match it now.
    The new Campag shifter feel is the opposite of Shimano's design.
    The 12 speed stuff is extremely defined and notched, it's more like the 10 speed "red" spring sturdy,
    it's the most "mechanical" shifting i've ever felt. I love it, but then i hate soft shimano wimpy shifters.
    There is electronic shifting for those who just what to tap a switch.

    -g
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    The Sachs will be sold by then.

    Always good to have a plan :)
    Sounds like a bad plan to me ;)

    -g
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    Sounds great, though again, I wont be putting super record on my CX bike, so this is all a bit academic. can still drool though.
    I get where you're coming from Grant (though I also thought you were one of the few other 7900 hold outs?)
    The stroke distance / smoothness of the shift lever on shimano has me thinking of exploring 11 speed sram mechanical, even if the design is getting long in the tooth now.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantM View Post
    The new Campag shifter feel is the opposite of Shimano's design.
    The 12 speed stuff is extremely defined and notched, it's more like the 10 speed "red" spring sturdy,
    it's the most "mechanical" shifting i've ever felt. I love it, but then i hate soft shimano wimpy shifters.
    There is electronic shifting for those who just what to tap a switch.

    -g
    I thought I wouldn’t like that lightness until used it.
    La Cheeserie!

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    Hoping to slap the record 12 speed bits on the Della Santa over the winter. If its at all an improvement on the Rev+ stuff from the last couple years, it'll be pretty fantastic.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by skouri1 View Post
    I also thought you were one of the few other 7900 hold outs?
    yes, i am.

    -g
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    I thought I wouldn’t like that lightness until used it.
    i've used everything, at least on demo bikes.
    while i have preferences, and personal hierarchy of design (no electronics on bikes)
    it all works, and ultimately it doesn't make any difference what i ride.
    designing or owning bikes is different that riding them.

    -g
    EPOst hoc ergo propter hoc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    I thought I wouldn’t like that lightness until used it.
    I've used Campy 10s, plus Shimano 6800 and R8000. I do like 11s Shimano's light shifting also, although it is more of a difference in feel rather than performance. I think I slightly prefer the way Shimano shifts, but I certainly don't mind Campy. And I still prefer Campy braking. I moved to Shimano for other reasons (mainly that the shifters have adjustable reach and cost effectiveness).
     

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    YUP, i mean, my 7900 will still shift me into any gear I need when I need it. These are mostly differences in Feel, rather than function I suspect, unless you go electronic, where you can shift recklessly/ under power and still get the result.
    The only other difference is durability. but i'm starting to think of shifters as a wear item. Sure my 6600 somehow keeps ticking, but after 40,000 + miles, I dont think any group will feel impeccable.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    Post pics of the build.
    Here you go:





    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    The light, slick precision of my Shimano rear shifting is the primary reason I have been migrating to Shimano the past couple years. If Campagnolo could equal or even surpass it I'd be very interested. I am agnostic on the rest of it, but the rear shifting of Shimano hooked me a number of years ago. I'd love to hear Campagnolo can match it now.
    Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing ‘light’ about the Campag shift - it’s still very Campag at the lever, but the shift is *lightening* fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    {snip} and all wheels around here.
    You know 12-speed uses the same freehub as 11-speed, right?

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    85km and 1500m vertical gain on today’s ride on this stuff. Never skipped a beat, and I continue to be utterly impressed.

    The shift is Campag through and through - agricultural, some might say; and loud, but if you’re a Campag fan you’ll be fine with both of those things.

    Where Shimano ‘snicks’ on each shift, 12-speed Campag ‘clunks’, but the actual shift happens at incredible pace - like, better than both EPS and Di2, in my humble opinion at least.

    Setup was *ridiculously* easy. One quick read of the manual and any decent home mechanic will get it and be able to dial it in. Shimano could learn a lot from this.

    There’s a subtle change of lever shape over ‘old’ Campag, too. It’s not much at all - a slightly more defined ‘hook’ with more of a point to it at the top of the lever - but it’s a really nice change that fits really nicely in the hand.

    It seems more perceptible to cable stretch as the indexing changed slightly after yesterday’s 20km loop, but a 1/4 turn of the barrel adjuster sorted that.

    In summary, the ugliness is being bested - by a significant margin - by the functionality. I even caught the rear mech in a certain light after today’s ride and had a moment of “in this light, that UD finish is awesome” (I wish I’d taken a photo), so maybe I’m warming to the looks too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post

    the shift is *lightening* fast.
    What, so fast the thing gets lighter? Is this relativistic mass dilation at work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kelly View Post
    What, so fast the thing gets lighter? Is this relativistic mass dilation at work?
    Damn it, I’ve offended myself with such a grammatical faux pas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    Damn it, I’ve offended myself with such a grammatical faux pas...
    And, of course, I meant ‘susceptible’ when I mentioned cable tension... #facepalm

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