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    Default I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    https://greglemond.com/#!/washoe

    welded by portland dudes

    press fit 30 is kinda odd, but GL always liked one goofy part

    always wanted a tsx or excell lemond back in 90-93

    I'd beat on this thing

    (but some dude in florida has already won my heart...not that there's anything wrong with that)

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    +1 on wanting one of those TSX LeMonds back in the day. The new bike had me until the PF30 BB. WTF on a steel frame?

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    something like big tubes have to land somewhere.

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    and the zero offset seat post comments begin...
    now!
    david corr

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    all kidding aside...

    i have a couple questions.

    the size that would work for me is the 51.
    that gives me a 531 top tube, a 73.5 seat angle and a (recommended) 9cm stem.
    in order to get my 4cm behind bb, i'd likely need a zero offset post (as pictured) or a pmp-like 15mm offset.
    that seems odd since this bike is supposed to reflect greg's years of experience.
    i would have expected greg to be more of a typical 25mm setback post kind of guy.
    by the way, the bike that's pictured with the zero offset post is way larger than the 51.
    maybe this is just a randomly configured bike for a photo shoot and the zero post means nothing - but that would be an unfortunate lack of attention to detail.
    still, in my size, i would need a zero post with that seat angle.
    i would have no problem riding the bike if it was designed that way, but was it?

    also, the 9cm stem seems at odds with the conventional forum wisdom that favors longer stems.
    interestingly, both cannondale and specialized reco a 9cm stem on even their highest end frames in this size.
    most of my bikes have 10cm stems and i would have no problem with a 9cm stem if it put me in the right place and was within the design parameters of the frame size.

    thoughts?
    david corr

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Quote Originally Posted by david View Post
    thoughts?
    That all people are different, and what works for you may not work for everyone, and stems & seat posts are easily switched, or you could even buy just the frameset, and that the comparison and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias is one of humanities' greatest curses along with vague wishes for homogenization along the lines one's own preferences?

    I do like orange.
    I don't like BB30's on a steel frame, but that's just me.
    Plenty of adapters out there.
    Or maybe I just need more coffee…..
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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Quote Originally Posted by RickM View Post
    +1 on wanting one of those TSX LeMonds back in the day. ?
    I'd love to have one of the reenactment tsx tube sets hit me in the head.

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Quote Originally Posted by david View Post
    all kidding aside...


    thoughts?
    The sizing help is reminiscent of Bikesdirect. Just punch in your hieght and it gives you a size.

    Works like a champ, at 6'2" gives me the option of a 57, 59 or 61!?

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    PF30 is a deal breaker- plus geometry seems all wonky. It doesn't know if it wants to be a
    compact or flat tt.
    I bought an NOS TSX Lemond in around 2001- I should not have let that one go.
    But I think the Excell tubed GAN bikes were the coolest of the older Lemonds.

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Quote Originally Posted by david View Post
    thoughts?
    There are a lot of frames with a lot of different geos out there. If you don't want to use a straight post or 9cm stem to adapt this frame to your size, it's probably not the right frame for you. They wouldn't fit me either. That said, you could do a lot worse than a 14mm setback pmp on an orange steel lemond.

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    So who's actually fabricating these?

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryScientist View Post
    So who's actually fabricating these?
    ZenBikeFab

    From what I've seen quite nice.
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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Very cool. Thanks garro

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    I can't believe Greg deigned a bike and didn't consult the forum about geometry and bottom bracket standards. What does he know about bikes and cycling?
    Lee James Jones
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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    i used to sell the trek made lemond geometry bikes years ago.
    they were pro geometry on an intermediate level rider product.
    top tubes too long... few women had a chance to fit one.
    stems ended up really short.

    it seemed like the 45 yr old buying his first decent bike in fact had trouble assuming the 23 yr old greg lemond position.
    i havent looked at these at all...
    i thk, however, they should be designed for the "not" pros that will be riding them.

    i notice that specialized is making a run of steel race bikes too..
    74 only.
    i havent looked into it at all... i bet they will be nice though.

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    the geo is solid

    btw -- the seat tube setback (angle, if you must) comes from greg's biases from the days of regal saddles and 80s posts. less saddle rail, larger clamps = more frame setback. modern saddles with long rails, modern seat posts, you'd use a zero or a 15mm setback post on these frames. it all works out.

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    $2,600 for a US-built steel bike with an Enve fork and 105 strikes me as a pretty good deal.

    I liked the Trek-era geo better, but as SteveP notes this is the geo that sells bikes.

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveP View Post
    i used to sell the trek made lemond geometry bikes years ago.
    they were pro geometry on an intermediate level rider product.
    top tubes too long... few women had a chance to fit one.
    stems ended up really short.
    it seemed like the 45 yr old buying his first decent bike in fact had trouble assuming the 23 yr old greg lemond position.
    That goes some way to explaining the geo on my 2006(?) 53cm Reno. I'm 5'10 with a 31" (crotch to ankle) inseam.
    I thought it was flat-out weird geo, and have replaced it with a 'traditional' (level-tt) 56cm frame.

    Neil

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    I don't like BB30's on a steel frame, but that's just me.
    Plenty of adapters out there.
    - Garro.
    Plenty of adapters, but a lot of 'em end up creaking. I know I'm old-school, but I think a steel frame should have a threaded BB shell.

    Still trying to find out who's making these for LeMond.

    KB

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    Default Re: I'd hit this (new steel Lemond)

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveP View Post
    i used to sell the trek made lemond geometry bikes years ago.
    they were pro geometry on an intermediate level rider product.
    top tubes too long... few women had a chance to fit one.
    stems ended up really short.

    it seemed like the 45 yr old buying his first decent bike in fact had trouble assuming the 23 yr old greg lemond position.
    i havent looked at these at all...
    i thk, however, they should be designed for the "not" pros that will be riding them.
    Sorry but I strongly disagree here. Lemond's geometry is made to work for discerning, fit road cyclists, not out of shape nearly middle aged guys that aren't capable of riding a racing bike. The dumb thing is too I know lots of guys that age and older that clearly ride in '23 year old greg lemond position' aka more or less how you're supposed to sit on a road bike. Saying that lemond should pander to older dudes with money that can barely ride is BS IMHO, there are plenty of cyclists out there that are quite happy with lemond's geometry including a short-ish girl I know that owns a poprad and rides it every day. Saying you have to be a pro to ride the lemond geometry is a bit ridiculous I think and just shows bias. Sure it doesn't work for everyone but why does that make it a bad option when there are people on the other side of the coin bitching about the huge head tubes nowadays?

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