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    Default I love Marco Pantani and hats off to Rapha for sending me this!

    I never get tired of watching the old races on DVD that include Pantani, nor do I get tired of reading about him and thinking about him. I love his era and many of his competitors. He is on my all-time favorites list, and we are all lesser for his loss. All dopers do not suck, not at all.
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    Default Re: I love Marco Pantani and hats off to Rapha for sending me this!

    yes, just saw that too. cant wait for the full length feature. i wonder how they will release it?

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    Default Re: I love Marco Pantani and hats off to Rapha for sending me this!

    today I read this in FB, interesting thought:

    """""I was never a Pantini fan and today I must admit I find it very strange that the same people, who usually are feverishly busy hanging every cheat from the nearest tree, blow Kleenex to someone who had his fingers so far down the cookie-jar it eventually became his destiny. No doubt every death is tragic. You are after all not supposed to die from your sport, but supposedly become healthier. So while the cycling world is busy chasing the ghosts of doping, and subsequently bring everyone to justice despite age, its homage to Pantini also shows how hypocritical things can be......!"""""

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    Default Re: I love Marco Pantani and hats off to Rapha for sending me this!

    Cycling isn't healthy. It is self-destructive. He sure went all the way down that rabbit hole.

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    I think a big part of what people see as the hypocrisy can be explained by how much a complete raving douche Armstrong came off as. When people talk about Pantani and all the others and we talk about our love for them it was because they were lovable. Armstrong not so much.
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    Even the douches are entertaining. Arguably more so than others.

    I've always loved this writing from Nick Verstain:

    The Suicide Note of Marco Pantani

    You will read this after, so I want you to know I was happiest on the bike.
    For all of my memory I felt the most at home
    With my feet on the pedals and the world moving around me.
    The perfume of grease,
    mentholated embrocation
    and the heat in my legs.

    We saw the movie in the small cinema in Cesenatico,
    Disney’s little elephant who could fly.
    I flew away on my bike that afternoon,
    A boy’s eyes wet with tears of humiliation.
    The harder I pedaled,
    The higher I flew,

    I learned to use my skills,
    To fly above my hurt,
    You called me hero, but I heard only taunts.
    Pedal harder.
    You called me campione.
    Pedal harder.
    You called me cheater.
    Pedal harder.

    I’m sorry, but I could not pedal every hour of every day.
    I could not keep those thoughts
    From my sleep.
    So I filled my hours with tricks to stop the endless chatter of
    God and family. Sin and redemption. My face in the mirror.
    My imperfections magnified.
    Pedal harder.

    I held the biggest prize above my head
    My heart was full of joy and peace.
    My mother and father wept at my achievement.
    But by the next dawn I was filled again with shame.
    Pedal harder.
    And when the next prize was taken
    Just hours from my grasp
    All was black inside
    And I could only recoil from the light.
    They wanted to punish me,
    But I was already in prison.

    I fought back, of course.
    To be my own superhero,
    A Pirate, a criminal beloved for his audacity.
    Accepted as flawed. Accepted.
    But I could not accept myself.
    I cut away at my face,
    but I could not slice into my disfigured soul.

    Do not think it was all for nothing.
    There is so much that I cherish.
    Thank you, my dear friends,
    For your hands reaching out for my slippery fingers.
    I did see your signs on the climbs,
    My name in fresh paint that clung to my tires.
    I appreciated your hands on the small of my back,
    The cool water spilled down my neck.
    A million roadside kindnesses over the years,
    Grazie. Grazie. Goodbye.

    It is not so bad to be an Elephantino.
    I just wanted to be a boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy Arthur View Post
    When people talk about Pantani and all the others and we talk about our love for them it was because they were lovable.
    Also, because we knew Pantani doped. His denials were almost cute, the expected response, but I actually don't recall
    the force of his denials in the pre-armstrong era being something even his supporters professed to be true.
    Pantaini fans weren't apologists the way that followed later, and became standard operating procedure for Lance fans.
    Armstrong suffers most for his sin of deception, not doping. The BIG lie, that one is harder to forgive than the doping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantM View Post
    Also, because we knew Pantani doped. His denials were almost cute, the expected response, but I actually don't recall the force of his denials in the pre-armstrong era being something even his supporters professed to be true. Pantaini fans weren't apologists the way that followed later, and became standard operating procedure for Lance fans. Armstrong suffers most for his sin of deception, not doping. The BIG lie, that one is harder to forgive than the doping.

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    Perfect description. I never blamed Armstrong for doping, any more than I blame my co-workers for wearing BB#1 ties. Just part of the job.

    The tiresome part of the Armstrong saga was defending one's position ("Of course he oxygen-vector dopes; he's a professional cyclist") against the hordes of Johnny-come-lately American "Mulder" Armstrong fans who wanted to believe. With the prior Euro pros, they denied it, winked, and went on with life. They never expected us to believe.

    In some sense, I think Lance was trapped in a machine he couldn't ever hope to control; the new American fans needed to believe. Prior to Lance, and for long-time cycling fans, that was never previously required, nor even part of the narrative.

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    Please not another thread devolution to Armstrong Doping.

    Pantani was a joy to watch climb. RIP.

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    We loved him, we hated him, he committed suicide alone in a hotel in cuba, we loved him again.

    That shit is fucked up. Cycling fans can be cruel.

    -Joe

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    Spettacolare

    Andrea "Gattonero" Cattolico, head mechanic @Condor Cycles London


    "Caron, non ti crucciare:
    vuolsi così colà dove si puote
    ciò che si vuole, e più non dimandare"

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    Every so often I try (and fail) to climb standing with my hands in the drops. One of many idiosyncrasies that helped him capture my imagination.
    Dan Fuller, local bicycle enthusiast

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    Quote Originally Posted by xjoex View Post
    We loved him, we hated him, he committed suicide alone in a hotel in cuba, we loved him again.

    That shit is fucked up. Cycling fans can be cruel.

    -Joe
    He wasn't Hemmingway, but yeah. Pantani was found dead at a hotel in Rimini, Italy.


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    It does seem like Pantani gets a strange sort of pass in some circles. I don't feel much outrage over the doping, after all it seems it was endemic for the time, but the hero worship is hard for me to understand. Do people hate doping, or just certain dopers? If it's the latter, it seems like it's not actually the doping that bothered people. In which case doping is just a convenient opportunity to dislike someone we were inclined to dislike from the start and we should probably can the self-righteousness about it.

    I've recently come around to this way of thinking with regard to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, two guys I never liked and which for me doping provided a justification for my hatred.

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    He was the Pirate and he climbed as if the Devil was chasing him..who knows maybe he was.
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    overcomes the hardest thing in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydesteel View Post
    He was the Pirate and he climbed as if the Devil was chasing him..who knows maybe he was.
    The devil may not be chasing him but he definitely wasn't just competing against his competitors. One of the saddest books I ever read, sadder than "Where the Rad Fern Grows" was his biography. There was absolutely no redemption in his story. Just sorrow and what I feel a mysterious drive that I am not even sure was to win.

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    If you haven't read "The Death of Marco Pantani" by Matt Rendell you should. It's exciting and terribly painful.

    Mom: He was very sickly until he started riding around on that bicycle.


    Dad: Yeah... well... now his body's fine, but his mind is gone.

    -Breaking Away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jklash View Post
    It does seem like Pantani gets a strange sort of pass in some circles. I don't feel much outrage over the doping, after all it seems it was endemic for the time, but the hero worship is hard for me to understand. Do people hate doping, or just certain dopers? If it's the latter, it seems like it's not actually the doping that bothered people. In which case doping is just a convenient opportunity to dislike someone we were inclined to dislike from the start and we should probably can the self-righteousness about it.

    I've recently come around to this way of thinking with regard to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, two guys I never liked and which for me doping provided a justification for my hatred.
    He died a tragic death. It is the oldest trick in the book.

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    I liked the way he climbed......I liked how he had the coolest nickname in cycling.

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    Default Re: I love Marco Pantani and hats off to Rapha for sending me this!

    Its honestly a real bummer to read about him and what happened. I'm sure he's not the only one with skeletons in his closet but apparently he really took it to heart and was tortured by it. The film looks very interesting and i'm really looking forward to watching it when it is released.

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