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    Default Re: Gravel Goes Legit - New Shimano GRX Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Vancouverdave View Post
    I just have to ask--why, except for niche companies (RH, Riv, etc.) won't any component maker use the word "touring" to describe new gear? Shimano makes, IMHO, the best equipment for assembling a touring bike. Nothing of theirs is packaged that way but everything is made and available down to 9 speed systems. Does something about the word "touring" freak out the race-centric young marketing dorks at major bike and component companies? Just curious................
    Define "touring" in the first place!
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    Thomas 'splain to me how in the heck this is a urban gruppo?

    PS $h!t-stirring won't work on me today. Stick to bikes you make worse jokes than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doomridesout View Post
    Man you've got a thing about these rotors!

    I like mine, but I don't often suffer from the gear curses I've seen afflicting other people's bikes.
    The struggle is real! Glad to know you’ve been spared - I wouldn’t wish these anguished sirens on anyone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Tall View Post
    Thomas 'splain to me how in the heck this is a urban gruppo?
    Those satellite brake levers look made for this, when you are behind a lane of cars and ride on the top of the handlebars to stay more upright and have a better vision. Sure you could say why won't you simply mount the bars higher ? I like the idea to also have a more aero position available when the roads/streets are clear. That's the only use I ever did of my cx levers. I never actually raced cross with them.

    This + the shorter gearing when climbing that hill with your panniers full of groceries+ a child seart or pulling a trailer.
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    Default Re: Gravel Goes Legit - New Shimano GRX Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Gattonero View Post
    Define "touring" in the first place!
    The Howells, the Professor, Ginger, and Maryann: All touring... however it became an adventure.

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    Default Re: Gravel Goes Legit - New Shimano GRX Groups

    On bicycles?
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    Default Re: Gravel Goes Legit - New Shimano GRX Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Gattonero View Post
    Define "touring" in the first place!
    It's homelessness but with money and a bicycle.
    Took me years to realize that I was fence sitting on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis View Post
    Touring is out. Backpacking is in.
    Two different things, actually.

    Touring you ride really far on little money.

    Backpacking you ride not so far for a lot more money.


    Important distinctions


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    Default Re: Gravel Goes Legit - New Shimano GRX Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    It's homelessness but with money and a bicycle.
    Took me years to realize that I was fence sitting on this one.



    Two different things, actually.

    Touring you ride really far on little money.

    Backpacking you ride not so far for a lot more money.


    Important distinctions


    - Garro.
    Ok, it made me smile but it's a big generalization.
    Thankfully, people have moved on from the stereotype of grumpy old cyclo-tourist with a waxed rain cape and the compass in the bell. Incidentally, "bikepacking" is mostly done offroad, which means being self-sufficient, so the extra-money spent while travelling is almost zero
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    I think it looks great and will be a nice fit for my 333Fab in a year or two.

    Also like the hydro chicken levers. I’ve looked a few times at surprising my wife with something 650b, 1x and hydro but she uses the inline levers on her old Tricross too much to give them up.
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    Default Re: Gravel Goes Legit - New Shimano GRX Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Gattonero View Post
    Ok, it made me smile but it's a big generalization.
    Thankfully, people have moved on from the stereotype of grumpy old cyclo-tourist with a waxed rain cape and the compass in the bell. Incidentally, "bikepacking" is mostly done offroad, which means being self-sufficient, so the extra-money spent while travelling is almost zero
    You mean, you live on what you kill? I really doubt that. "Bikepacking" could very well mean nothing more than using bikepacking bags instead of racks and panniers. The only time I've ever seen people with bikepacking bags on their bikes was on the Great Allegheny Passage at Ohiopyle, and they were en route to the very same ice cream shop as my group, and I'll bet they were staying at B&Bs and hotels, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palincss View Post
    You mean, you live on what you kill? I really doubt that. "Bikepacking" could very well mean nothing more than using bikepacking bags instead of racks and panniers. The only time I've ever seen people with bikepacking bags on their bikes was on the Great Allegheny Passage at Ohiopyle, and they were en route to the very same ice cream shop as my group, and I'll bet they were staying at B&Bs and hotels, too.
    You're missing the point: once you leave the tarmac and the last village is far behind, you count on your supplies and replenish whenever possible.
    Where is the extra-money then? Yes, one ice-cream as a treat when you find a village; but when offroad you don't have the luxury of B&B. At least, that's what happens here.

    Whether you have a pannier rack, or bags strapped directly on your saddle and bars, the only difference is how long can you go and what road have you planned. Some will require to be self-sufficient (hence, you could do all your journey without spending any extra) others will allow you frequent resupplies, if not many chances for meals and accomodation.
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    To me touring is just a more generic term. Backpacking is a subdivision when you carry your complete kit while travelling without resorting to external help or shipping them from point to point.
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    Backpacking or Bikepacking? To me both involve off-road but the former is on foot, the latter via bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gattonero View Post
    Backpacking or Bikepacking? To me both involve off-road but the former is on foot, the latter via bicycle.
    It was a typo but bikepacking is to bike touring what backpacking is to touring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gattonero View Post


    Where is the extra-money then?
    You spent it on the supplies in your bags.

    Duh !!
    ;)

    I did this shit for years way off the map.......at one point I even quit taking maps as I figured out that you are never lost if you don't care where you are going.

    Quote Originally Posted by palincss View Post
    You mean, you live on what you kill?
    Yeah, quite a bit actually.

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    A good example of bikepacking is the Race Across Texas (RAT). Riders have the option of point to point with some support or fully self supported. They leave Texarkana and finish in Tucumcari, NM. Riders have to report in and follow a certain route which almost all gravel or dirt roads. Some of the stories and photos are epic. "I was riding a red dirt road in west TX and just stopped on the side of the road and camped". Some will do a night or two in a hotel, but the top finishers usually camp their way across the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Tall View Post
    Take me now. All hope is lost
    It's not that bad: it's more chip seal than smooth tarmac.

    On the plus side: fewer washboard sections and launched bottles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gummee View Post
    It's not that bad: it's more chip seal than smooth tarmac.

    On the plus side: fewer washboard sections and launched bottles.

    M
    Ugh. Chipseal is the worst. Such a downgrade from dirt. And I don't even like dirt.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Strongin View Post
    Ugh. Chipseal is the worst. Such a downgrade from dirt. And I don't even like dirt.
    Matt,

    The key to liking dirt over asphalt...

    Mount a tire that doesn’t seat well on the rim such that it rises and falls about 1/4” with each rotation. Like a circular snake that just ate lunch. You will hate smooth asphalt and love the dirt.

    That was my yesterday. I’m just fortunate TH took us on many great dirt stretches.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneJ View Post
    The key to liking dirt over asphalt...

    Mount a tire that doesn’t seat well on the rim such that it rises and falls about 1/4” with each rotation. Like a circular snake that just ate lunch. You will hate smooth asphalt and love the dirt.
    Prostate therapy for middle-aged guys. No co-pay! I’m calling my patent attorney.

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    PS It’s Darren’s fault, and no Shimano was involved. But it was an adventure.
     

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