User Tag List

Results 1 to 19 of 19

Thread: First dropped top tube road bike?

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Location
    rio de janeiro
    Posts
    3,554
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default First dropped top tube road bike?

    Bontrager road. Not too many around.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    I came here for the socks.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Location
    rio de janeiro
    Posts
    3,554
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Cunningham probably did it before anyway.
    I came here for the socks.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    3,981
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Urs Freuler's bikes had it first. The Swiss have always been pioneers in dropping shit and facial hair.
    bamboo, aluminum, wood.

    My name is Craig Gaulzetti.

    www.summercycles.com

    www.gaulzetti.co

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    W Mass
    Posts
    10,714
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Moulton?

    Tee Aitch

    Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring. -- Desmond Tutu

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Eastern PA
    Posts
    713
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    I remember the first time a saw a slopey top tube road bike, some euro TDF team on Giant or Scepialized, in the mid to late 90's (1996/1997 ish) and thinking, "why are those guys riding girls bikes?"
     

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    New Belgium, Massachusetts
    Posts
    2,539
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by MJS View Post
    I remember the first time a saw a slopey top tube road bike, some euro TDF team on Giant or Scepialized, in the mid to late 90's (1996/1997 ish) and thinking, "why are those guys riding girls bikes?"
    Bicycle forks can be scrutinized, but not human beings.
     

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    YYZ
    Posts
    771
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    If we're talking specifically about top tubes sloping front-to-back as is common today Bontrager and Brodie were making them as stock models (Road Lite and Roadie) in the early '09s. That was 6-8 years before Giant.

    Freuler bikes have been around longer, of course.
    Geoff used to race around on a Brodie Sovereign
    Geoff Morgan

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    1915 Foursquare
    Posts
    3,566
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    I believe it was Mike Burrows doing a sloping tube geometry in England very early on.....and I also believe that he had a role in designing the Giants with that format.....
     

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Location
    rio de janeiro
    Posts
    3,554
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Chaba View Post
    I believe it was Mike Burrows doing a sloping tube geometry in England very early on.....and I also believe that he had a role in designing the Giants with that format.....
    Charlie Cunningham did it before..
    I came here for the socks.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    slovenia
    Posts
    231
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    If dropped means what we now call compact then the Chesini Innovation from the first half of the nineties is for sure one of the first. Team bike of the La William team in 92 and 93 and the Trident team of Peter van Petegem in 94.

    4349579846_efcacbd36d.jpg
    163_001.jpg
    Mark Koghee

    More of my rides on:
    www.ljubljanees.com

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Kingman, AZ
    Posts
    4,235
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    I always thought a "dropped" toptube was more along the lines of what Pegoretti did with 57mm and larger frames where he'd maintain the c-c BB to top tube at 57mm and extend the head tube. The top tube stayed level. For example, my 60cm BLE and the Fina I previously owned were 57mm c-c with a level top tube. The idea was to maintain stiffness in larger frames and I guess to save some weight.

    I thought what Colker was showing was just "sloping" toptube.
    Weight Doper

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Location
    rio de janeiro
    Posts
    3,554
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    I always thought a "dropped" toptube was more along the lines of what Pegoretti did with 57mm and larger frames where he'd maintain the c-c BB to top tube at 57mm and extend the head tube. The top tube stayed level. For example, my 60cm BLE and the Fina I previously owned were 57mm c-c with a level top tube. The idea was to maintain stiffness in larger frames and I guess to save some weight.

    I thought what Colker was showing was just "sloping" toptube.
    You are right, sloping.
    What you describe otoh is Freuler's geometry, what Craig mentioned
    I came here for the socks.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Eastern PA
    Posts
    713
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    I always thought a "dropped" toptube was more along the lines of what Pegoretti did with 57mm and larger frames where he'd maintain the c-c BB to top tube at 57mm and extend the head tube. The top tube stayed level. For example, my 60cm BLE and the Fina I previously owned were 57mm c-c with a level top tube. The idea was to maintain stiffness in larger frames and I guess to save some weight.

    I thought what Colker was showing was just "sloping" toptube.
    I remember the Buckler Colnago bikes (in the larger sizes) "dropped" in the same way in the early 90s.

    Steel Vintage Bikes - Colnago Master Classic Team Buckler Bicycle 199s
     

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    W Mass
    Posts
    10,714
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by markrides View Post
    If dropped means what we now call compact then the Chesini Innovation from the first half of the nineties is for sure one of the first.
    The nineties, like the 1890's?

    Tee Aitch

    Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring. -- Desmond Tutu

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Khen-Tuck-ee, USA
    Posts
    1,723
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Todd is that is a very early Serotta ?
    Faster Forwards would be 1930s BSA.
    bsa.jpg
     

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Location
    rio de janeiro
    Posts
    3,554
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott G. View Post
    Todd is that is a very early Serotta ?
    Faster Forwards would be 1930s BSA.
    bsa.jpg
    steel is real.
    I came here for the socks.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    165
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Because of my small frame size (46 cm ctc), my Trek 710 had one in 1982. Still in the stable.

    Lovely bike.
     

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    4,488
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    I always thought a "dropped" toptube was more along the lines of what Pegoretti did with 57mm and larger frames where he'd maintain the c-c BB to top tube at 57mm and extend the head tube. The top tube stayed level. For example, my 60cm BLE and the Fina I previously owned were 57mm c-c with a level top tube. The idea was to maintain stiffness in larger frames and I guess to save some weight.

    I thought what Colker was showing was just "sloping" toptube.
    Dario does also use a dropped TT when a rider has short legs. HT stays the same length, the TT is dropped and level, the ST is slightly shorter to match.

    i.e.., this is a stock 55 c/e, look at the effective length of the HT, and how small is the space in between TT and DT
    Andrea "Gattonero" Cattolico, head mechanic @Condor Cycles London


    "Caron, non ti crucciare:
    vuolsi così colà dove si puote
    ciò che si vuole, e più non dimandare"

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Fairfax, California
    Posts
    2,651
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: First dropped top tube road bike?

    Breezer Venturi in early 90's?
    But like others said- Charlie Cunningham was making road and cross bikes like that in the 80's.
     

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 2
    Last Post: 07-28-2014, 12:15 PM
  2. The First Shoe Just Dropped
    By DOOFUS in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 382
    Last Post: 07-21-2012, 11:16 PM
  3. A little bit of awesomeness dropped into my life
    By Ben in forum The Art of Wardrobe
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 04-26-2011, 05:34 PM
  4. pegoretti - dropped top tube explanation
    By pdmtong in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 07-19-2010, 01:03 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •