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    Default Re: Challenge Tubeless Tubular Experiences?

    Wait, what? Is the 36mm Strada Bianca tubeless tub really 500 grams each?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFSTEKL View Post
    Wait, what? Is the 36mm Strada Bianca tubeless tub really 500 grams each?

    Yes, listed at 495g. I don't know if you consider that a bad or good thing, but I think it's potentially a good thing. I don't really want paper thin tires for the silly things I'm about to do with them. I did order 4 in hopes of weighing all 4 and seeing if they all appear to be equal in quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Neide View Post
    Yes, listed at 495g. I don't know if you consider that a bad or good thing, but I think it's potentially a good thing. I don't really want paper thin tires for the silly things I'm about to do with them. I did order 4 in hopes of weighing all 4 and seeing if they all appear to be equal in quality.
    My thought is that they are heavy, but maybe I should readjust my expectations about what a large volume, durable tub should weigh. I hope they work out well for you. Keep us updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFSTEKL View Post
    Okay, now I'm listening.
    No kidding. I felt a tingle.

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    Quick update. I have 4 tires. Weights are 520g, 518g, 513g, and 517g. They are glued up and waiting for good weather.
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    Default Re: Challenge Tubeless Tubular Experiences?

    Good weather for the tires, or the rider? :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Neide View Post
    Quick update. I have 4 tires. Weights are 520g, 518g, 513g, and 517g. They are glued up and waiting for good weather.
    That seems incredibly heavy. What am I missing? Are they large volume, wide tires?
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    Default Re: Challenge Tubeless Tubular Experiences?

    I'm confused -- how well does plugging a tire work with something as supple as a Challenge or Dugast tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    That seems incredibly heavy. What am I missing? Are they large volume, wide tires?
    Scroll up...they're skinny little 36mm tires. So, yes, huge volume.
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    Default Re: Challenge Tubeless Tubular Experiences?

    I have a pair of 30mm Vittoria Corsa Control tubs that weight around 370 grams. They are shit-slow, but are Lazyboy comfy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teleguy57 View Post
    Good weather for the tires, or the rider? :)
    Rider....it was raining AND cold. I can do one or the other, but not both at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by jstonebarger View Post
    I'm confused -- how well does plugging a tire work with something as supple as a Challenge or Dugast tire?
    I've never had to plug a Challenge or Dugast tire, so I don't know the answer yet. However, many of the MTB and tubeless road tires are pretty thin and I've had success with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by WFSTEKL View Post
    I have a pair of 30mm Vittoria Corsa Control tubs that weight around 370 grams. They are shit-slow, but are Lazyboy comfy.
    I'm keeping realistic expectations. They are 36c squishy tires, so not road race tires. Real world measurement is 36.8mm on both tires I have mounted, and I'm sure they'll expand a bit. So far, they are smooth rolling, but that was all pavement at 40 psi. I might lower the pressure a bit to see how that feels.
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    The concept of a tubeless tubular is intriguing but not when I can get the same size Rene Herse tire that weighs ~150g less. That offsets how light the tubular wheel set is and would be harder to fix roadside. Maybe the ride is better but not sure the BJP EL is much worse with a huge weight advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamu8104 View Post
    The concept of a tubeless tubular is intriguing but not when I can get the same size Rene Herse tire that weighs ~150g less. That offsets how light the tubular wheel set is and would be harder to fix roadside. Maybe the ride is better but not sure the BJP EL is much worse with a huge weight advantage.
    I pretty much agree with you. I have a very limited amount of time actually riding the BJP and I remember it being a nice smooth ride. I didn't take them off road, but the person who's bike it was had taken them off road and eventually moved on from them due to them being a bit too fragile for him. I don't recall which casing he had.

    So far I have about 175 miles on these tires. I did some commuting, fast rides, rail trail, double track, "rocky" gravel roads, etc. I rode a bunch of miles the other day that I thought would certainly slice the tires. It was one of those roads where the gravel road ended at a gated road that turned into a logging/jeep/I hate life kind of road. It was brutal with tons of softball size "gravel". A couple of rim to rock strikes. No flats. It survived and I feel pretty darn good about that because I was intentionally not taking it easy on them. I was admittedly doing some stupid stuff on them that day. I also got rained on while bombing down dirt roads and couldn't exactly see things in the road (ie not picking safe lines). My short term thoughts are that this tire will prove to be rugged. I was riding them at 25'ish psi that day.

    Speed......they aren't slow rolling tires. I was feeling good at the end of a 40 mile ride and I was taking the final paved climb to my house. According to Strava this was the 58th time I have done this climb. I was moving at a good clip, but it wasn't that kind of determine all out effort. I PR'd that climb (by 1 second). This was a climb that I mostly do on my road bike, and have put some hard efforts to get good times, and on this day I PR'd on my CX bike....which is a single speed. I think the tires aren't holding me back. I feel good about that.

    I'm feeling pretty darn good about these tires right now.

    One negative is that I don't recommend 20-25'ish psi for fast road rides. They get a little squirmy on the paved turns. Other than that, I'm super excited to put some more miles on them.


    I don't see tubulars making a comeback, but I think that these Challenge tubeless tubulars have a place in the market. I have perfectly fine tubular wheels which should last a very long time, and if these tubulars continue to hold air......I really really want an excuse to buy some Enve CX tubulars. :)

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    Thanks for posting a follow up on the performance of this tire Will. Your bike looks great with these tires fitted. I'm curious what your weight with bike is? Where did you order your tires from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelNut View Post
    Thanks for posting a follow up on the performance of this tire Will. Your bike looks great with these tires fitted. I'm curious what your weight with bike is? Where did you order your tires from?
    My weight is right around 165 lbs. I don't know the exact bike weight, but I'd guess it's in the 19lb range. I put a bunch of rocky dirt miles on them last weekend and they are still performing great. Exceeding my expectations.

    I ordered direct from Challenge. I'm not sure if any distributors are carrying this tire. It is a very niche product. I'd give Challenge a call, or shoot them an email. The warehouse had them in stock, but as you might expect distributors are balking at supplying a low demand product.
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    Thanks for the report. Am debating whether to have my Vittoria XNs retubed (prob. by TireAlert, donít have the patience anymore to do this myself) or to get these tubeless tubulars. Leaning toward the latter if the price is right.

    Do you happen to have a link for ordering?.. I browsed Challengeís site but couldnít find a link for purchasing (am in North America).

    Thx!

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    Will,

    Which sealant are you using with these tires?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lml999 View Post
    Will,

    Which sealant are you using with these tires?

    Thanks!

    I'm currently using Orange Seal Endurance. It's my first time using it.
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    Thanks Will!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Neide View Post
    I'm currently using Orange Seal Endurance. It's my first time using it.
    Did Challenge specify sealant to use or not use? I scoured the site and could not turn up anything regarding it.

    I have a stash of 2 OZ Stans. But if Challange sez no Stans anywhere, I can't find it. Not ordered the tires yet, waiting on the wheels to arrive. Leaning towards the 30mm so as not to remove my Helix Disc from fitting equation, 36mm won't for for sure not.

    Reminded of 1 first sealant in Latex tubes experiment, once it dried up the tubes became useless. So will have to wear the HTLTU out before that occurs, and pick a longer lasting sealant rather than to blindly just use the Stans I am figuring...

    Love the fork on the Blue beast there.. Nice to not see the generic ENVE as usual. Like my Helix has, excellent, but not distinctive. ;)

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