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    Quote Originally Posted by velobran View Post
    I had the last version of Campy Record w/ the ST BB. I went through my share of BBs having a frame w/o a drainage hole.

    I'll take a look at the Parlee cups and Praxis system though and steer clear of the Campy adapters.
    You could have drilled a drainage hole .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMB View Post
    You could have drilled a drainage hole .....
    I could have, but I didn't. Colnago should have really included that as a frame feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velobran View Post
    I had the last version of Campy Record w/ the ST BB. I went through my share of BBs having a frame w/o a drainage hole.

    I'll take a look at the Parlee cups and Praxis system though and steer clear of the Campy adapters.
    Campagnolo have redesigned the press-fit adaptors for MY2015. The issue was a tendency in some frames (not all, mine behaved perfectly as did a large number of others my colleagues and I worked in) for movement and creaking - the changes made for MY2015 should reduce this problem.

    In 2012 Campagnolo made specific recommendations to Service Centres with regard to the use of correct types and applications of Loctite that went a long way to eliminating problems, the new cups are another step along that same path.

    OverTorque, though, is designed with PF systems specifically in mind and is a strong contender alongside correctly fitted adapters and UT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon View Post
    Clearly journalism is a dying discipline. These two articles completely contradict each other:

    Campagnolo launch new Bora 50 wheels with a wider rim profile and improved braking | road.cc

    Redesigned Campagnolo Shamal Mille, Bora wheels launched - BikeRadar

    According to Road.cc the Bora 50's are getting the wider rim and diamond braking surface introduced on the Bora 35s ... implying the Bora 35s are not being changed.

    BikeRadar however clearly states both are getting revamped ...

    Who know, but (1) it does not seem to make economic sense to revamp all your molds/machining to modify a 1 year old design and (2) wider + tubular only equals (maybe) some Aero advantage hence wider on the 50's and 80's makes some sense ...
    To be specific, here are the changes as specified to the distributors and SCs and to journalists:

    Bora H35*, H50, One, Ultra 2
    All now get a "Diamond" braking surface, all are C17 width, all will use Momag placement of the nipples in the rim.
    The front hub design is changed, being smaller and lighter.
    There is a revised, lighter, Shimano-compatible cassette body.

    Shamal Mille
    C15 rim (as 2014) with new surface coating.
    The front hub design is changed, being smaller and lighter.
    There is a revised, lighter, Shimano-compatible cassette body.

    Brake blocks are common across Shamal Mille and the carbon rims but the need for careful cleaning of the brake blocks is strongly highlighted.

    (*) We will double-check on C17 and Bora H35.

    HTH
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    Quote Originally Posted by velobran View Post
    I could have, but I didn't. Colnago should have really included that as a frame feature.
    Not just Colnago. I think someone, somewhere, calculated that it would add $0.0017 to the cost of a frame to add a drain hole, figured no-one would notice and did away with them.

    I drill drain holes now-a-days. I remember when frames showed up with them drilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinomaster View Post
    Maybe this has been mentioned, but if not; I just don't understand why Campagnolo would release new, 2015 components at the beginning of 2014, causing retailers to basically dump or put on sale, all of their 2014 stock? Who wants 2014 stuff now? Well, I do.. of course.. but it seems like poor planning imho.
    The problem is that all manufacturers show OEMs that might be interested in building frames to take new designs at, typically, Taipei bike show, in May - when a brand like Campagnolo are doing a complete revamp, that will always result in some information leakage - almost impossible to combat.

    Then, testing with the teams at the Giro d'Italia and other races will also generate speculation and comment ... some of what is tested will go into production, some will not make it that far, some is a test-bed for yet other ideas that may be further down the line than the following model year - but for MY2015, the full, public, launch of the finalised offering for 2015 will be at Eurobike ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfk_velo View Post
    To be specific, here are the changes as specified to the distributors and SCs and to journalists:

    Bora H35*, H50, One, Ultra 2
    All now get a "Diamond" braking surface, all are C17 width, all will use Momag placement of the nipples in the rim.
    The front hub design is changed, being smaller and lighter.
    There is a revised, lighter, Shimano-compatible cassette body.

    Shamal Mille
    C15 rim (as 2014) with new surface coating.
    The front hub design is changed, being smaller and lighter.
    There is a revised, lighter, Shimano-compatible cassette body.

    Brake blocks are common across Shamal Mille and the carbon rims but the need for careful cleaning of the brake blocks is strongly highlighted.

    (*) We will double-check on C17 and Bora H35.

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    Graeme
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    Thanks for the clarification Graeme!

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    I hope the new Shamal graphics are a sign of good things to come for the entire aluminum Campagnolo and Fulcrum wheel ranges, as well as the Bullet and Red Wind ranges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinomaster View Post
    Might need to save up for those new Shamals imho.

    I am, I am....


    Have a set of SES 3.4 for the assault on Mauna Kea next year, but should have Shamals to compare. I'm guessing the alu. spokes will be more distractive with cross winds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon View Post
    Thanks for the clarification Graeme!
    OK, more data from my colleagues at the factory:

    My query to the factory:

    1. There looks to be an apparent mis-match between some of the press info about Bora 35 and the info we have - I have assume that the info that we have about the rim width (new, wider rim on Bora 35 & Bora 50) is correct? We have had a couple of questions from retailers already.

    2. Unless I missed something, there is no change to Bora 80?

    Response from the factory:

    Yes to a new wider rim on both Bora 35 & 50. Changes to the Bora 80 are basically aesthetic only.

    The only other thing to add is that the decals on the new Boras are now water transfers sealed under the clear coat so can't easily be removed or replaced ... this is partly to clean up the aesthetic of a top-end wheel and partly to reduce the ease with which "pseudo-Boras" can be made by unscrupulous companies in far flung places :-(

    HTH
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfk_velo View Post
    OK, more data from my colleagues at the factory:

    My query to the factory:

    1. There looks to be an apparent mis-match between some of the press info about Bora 35 and the info we have - I have assume that the info that we have about the rim width (new, wider rim on Bora 35 & Bora 50) is correct? We have had a couple of questions from retailers already.

    2. Unless I missed something, there is no change to Bora 80?

    Response from the factory:

    Yes to a new wider rim on both Bora 35 & 50. Changes to the Bora 80 are basically aesthetic only.

    The only other thing to add is that the decals on the new Boras are now water transfers sealed under the clear coat so can't easily be removed or replaced ... this is partly to clean up the aesthetic of a top-end wheel and partly to reduce the ease with which "pseudo-Boras" can be made by unscrupulous companies in far flung places :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfk_velo View Post
    OK, more data from my colleagues at the factory:

    My query to the factory:

    1. There looks to be an apparent mis-match between some of the press info about Bora 35 and the info we have - I have assume that the info that we have about the rim width (new, wider rim on Bora 35 & Bora 50) is correct? We have had a couple of questions from retailers already.

    2. Unless I missed something, there is no change to Bora 80?

    Response from the factory:

    Yes to a new wider rim on both Bora 35 & 50. Changes to the Bora 80 are basically aesthetic only.

    The only other thing to add is that the decals on the new Boras are now water transfers sealed under the clear coat so can't easily be removed or replaced ... this is partly to clean up the aesthetic of a top-end wheel and partly to reduce the ease with which "pseudo-Boras" can be made by unscrupulous companies in far flung places :-(

    HTH
    Graeme
    Velotech Cycling Ltd
    Thanks Graeme, I ordered a set of "old" bora ultra 35s for 30% off as I see no benefit of a wider rim when I'm planning to run 23 tubulars ... Good to know that I'm rocking antiquated gear though ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFSTEKL View Post
    Did you ask Tullio Jr. about getting tooled up for a massive 47/57 brake production? If he needs help, have his people contact my people.
    His name is actually Valentino!

    And yes, I do agree that mid-drop brakes have to be enforced FTW!
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    Graeme: Any chance you could use your 007 skills again and find out if there will be any changes to the Hyperon Ultra2s--clincher or tubular? TIA, Tim

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    So I'm thinking of some new wheels for my birthday, I'm thinking clinchers. I want them as nice everyday wheels I can forget, just ride and enjoy.

    I and have come up with these three options in my price range.

    1. Campagnolo Record hubs 32 hole with ? rims...

    2. White Industries polished T11 hubs 32 hole with ? rims...

    3. Campagnolo Shamal Ultra C17 wheelset...
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    You already know my opinion, but I'm going to share it here anyway: DT Swiss OXiC 24mm. Awesome wheels. I want another set myself.

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    I won't stop until I have the opportunity to mount my Campag mid-reach brakeset onto my red bicycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sascha Roszak View Post
    So I'm thinking of some new wheels for my birthday, I'm thinking clinchers. I want them as nice everyday wheels I can forget, just ride and enjoy.

    I and have come up with these three options in my price range.

    1. Campagnolo Record hubs 32 hole with ? rims...

    2. White Industries polished T11 hubs 32 hole with ? rims...

    3. Campagnolo Shamal Ultra C17 wheelset...
    Tsss the answer is always Bora.
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    I have a pair of oilport record hubs I need to get around to listing for sale. HMU if you're interested. That said, Bora is always correct if you can make it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sascha Roszak View Post
    So I'm thinking of some new wheels for my birthday, I'm thinking clinchers. I want them as nice everyday wheels I can forget, just ride and enjoy.

    I and have come up with these three options in my price range.

    1. Campagnolo Record hubs 32 hole with ? rims...

    2. White Industries polished T11 hubs 32 hole with ? rims...

    3. Campagnolo Shamal Ultra C17 wheelset...
    This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    You already know my opinion, but I'm going to share it here anyway: DT Swiss OXiC 24mm. Awesome wheels. I want another set myself.
    I have a set and they are so good that they are never the wrong answer.

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