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    Default Argy Bargy sprinting in the TdF - Finish line discussion

    Since today is the last day for the sprinters for a few stages let's look back at the Charlie Foxtrots that were the sprints

    It seems that Lotto-Belisol is the only team that has a legit team train
    With Sky, Garmin-Sharp, Cannondale, Vacansole just kinda puttin a train together or not at all
    Lampre has tried, but i think just like their protected sprinter Ale-jet is past his prime so too is their skill
    Argos is on plan b now that Kittle is out

    I find it very interesting that with so many pure sprinters there isn't more trains
    which leads me to the crashes

    w/out 2 or 3 teams truly organizing it is causing the sprinters like Cav to freestyle which i believe is causing all the crap pile-ups

    whaddya thinks?
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    Default Re: Argy Bargy sprinting in the TdF - Finish line discussion

    I think you're right about that being a reason for crashes

    Sky has what it takes to make a train, but they're putting all their eggs in one British basket and by doing so, leaving Cav out to fend for himself.
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    There is some irony in that, finally, Sky works for Cav on yesterday's stage and
    he come up with a 5th place atmo. Seems to me like a supremely wasted effort.

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    Default Re: Argy Bargy sprinting in the TdF - Finish line discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    There is some irony in that, finally, Sky works for Cav on yesterday's stage and
    he come up with a 5th place atmo. Seems to me like a supremely wasted effort.
    That wasn't much of an effort. They either have to stay on plan and support Wiggo completely, or take those sprint situations seriously. There is no middle ground to take.
     

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    Interesting theory, although I noticed that yesterday there were, at one point, four distinct trains, left to right, across the front. And one was BMC, which has no sprinter and was looking out for the ever-alert Cuddles.

    Then again, Robbie McEwen never had trains, and he was a master of the freestyle. Other than once head-butting Stuart O'Grady, I don't recall him ever causing nuisance en masse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneJ View Post
    That wasn't much of an effort. They either have to stay on plan and support Wiggo completely, or take those sprint situations seriously. There is no middle ground to take.
    I guess I meant that it was an effort and they did support him - yet he came up in 5th
    place. Iow, he should have delivered or they should be wondering why they tried atmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    I guess I meant that it was an effort and they did support him - yet he came up in 5th
    place. Iow, he should have delivered or they should be wondering why they tried atmo.
    I agree. It seemed like a wasted effort. I'm sure he wasn't at his best given the previous day's tumble.
     

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    Speaking of bad sprinting...How about Farrar?...The guy tries to barge into the Argos leadout....falls when they don't say, "be my guest"....and then wants to go into their team bus to whip some arse while he is all broken up...*THAT* would turn out well.... The way I see it, Farrar HAS to push on so that he an have one non-TT day of the Tour without crashing...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    I guess I meant that it was an effort and they did support him - yet he came up in 5th
    place. Iow, he should have delivered or they should be wondering why they tried atmo.
    Because his girlfriend went on a twitter rampage after the day's fall saying [sic] thats what you get for being a MARKed man (isle of) with no support.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Chaba View Post
    Speaking of bad sprinting...How about Farrar?...The guy tries to barge into the Argos leadout....falls when they don't say, "be my guest"....and then wants to go into their team bus to whip some arse while he is all broken up...*THAT* would turn out well.... The way I see it, Farrar HAS to push on so that he an have one non-TT day of the Tour without crashing...
    yet, Lampre was the one that forced him to go down
    he can't even get mad at the right team/person let alone nail the sprint
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    Default Re: Argy Bargy sprinting in the TdF - Finish line discussion

    Why doesn't Orica-GreenEdge have a train? Matt Goss seems to be doing as much freelancing as Cavendish, and he just ends up being Cavendish' lead out man. Or Mark Renshaw. Neither Rabobank nor Orica-GreenEdge have true overall contenders, so it seems to me they should be getting stages whenever they can. But maybe they are holding back for ... ? They aren't doing badly on the points jersey though I guess.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elefantino View Post
    Interesting theory, although I noticed that yesterday there were, at one point, four distinct trains, left to right, across the front.
    Then again, Robbie McEwen never had trains, and he was a master of the freestyle. Other than once head-butting Stuart O'Grady, I don't recall him ever causing nuisance en masse.
    Yeah exactly. Since HTC has been broken up you have too much train parity with no one to truly string it out for the fastest (then), Cav, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chaba View Post
    Speaking of bad sprinting...How about Farrar?...The guy tries to barge into the Argos leadout....falls when they don't say, "be my guest"....and then wants to go into their team bus to whip some arse while he is all broken up...*THAT* would turn out well.... The way I see it, Farrar HAS to push on so that he an have one non-TT day of the Tour without crashing...
    Since we're all sitting in armchairs I'll say I think he's accumulated a lot of demons in his head the last two years, including the death of Wouter and numerous crashes, some self-caused. Plus he's not as precise a sprinter as Cav, who has had his own problems with risk / reward.

    He needs a shrink.
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    Default Re: Argy Bargy sprinting in the TdF - Finish line discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    Why doesn't Orica-GreenEdge have a train? Matt Goss seems to be doing as much freelancing as Cavendish, and he just ends up being Cavendish' lead out man. Or Mark Renshaw. Neither Rabobank nor Orica-GreenEdge have true overall contenders, so it seems to me they should be getting stages whenever they can. But maybe they are holding back for ... ? They aren't doing badly on the points jersey though I guess.

    They have a train; execution is another thing.
    Check this out, including Matty White's high-tech demonstration of their plan at around 2:25.


    As for Farrar, looks to me like he was distracted by Veelers' leaning into him and didn't see Petacchi veering into his path. I see Petacchi at fault as much as Veelers, actually. But really all of that was pretty much part of the high stakes sprint game, no? Nothing like McEwen trying to stick his helmet into O'Grady's armpit a few years back.
     

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    Additionally well before the run up the entire peloton was leaning against each other. Astounding. I'd never seen that level of contact before this year.
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    Default Re: Argy Bargy sprinting in the TdF - Finish line discussion

    definitely more chaotic without an alpha train keeping things strung out.

    i actually prefer the chaos but not the crashes that tend to come with it.

    farrar's behavior was embarrassingly revealing.
    the way he "attacked" the argos bus was interesting.
    all fury until he got to the doorway and then he seemed to back himself off - nobody really had to restrain him.
    kinda like the way he sprints lately, no?
    and the comment "you don't do that to somebody."
    sounded like a wounded little kid, not a viscous world tour sprinter.
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    Is Farrar's post race moment at the Argos bus online somewhere atmo? So far, I have only read about it not viewed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    Is Farrar's post race moment at the Argos bus online somewhere atmo? So far, I have only read about it not viewed it.
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    Whoa - that is a pathetic display of unprofessional-ism atmo.

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    Default Re: Argy Bargy sprinting in the TdF - Finish line discussion

    In Tyler's defense DS Peiper said he was already at wit's end, basically every square inch of his body covered in tire burns and road rash, this before yesterday's get off. The boy just hit the deck one too many times...and he's on his bike again. Really kinda awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jitahs View Post
    In Tyler's defense DS Peiper said he was already at wit's end, basically every square inch of his body covered in tire burns and road rash, this before yesterday's get off. The boy just hit the deck one too many times...and he's on his bike again. Really kinda awesome.
    I was aware of that anecdote atmo. He has to separate his body and his mind. My observation through the years is that Tyler is way too soft and suburban to be a first line
    field sprinter. He can get it done when all others are having a bad day of it. He doesn't even believe he belongs there. Superweek, maybe. A Green Jersey hunt, not so much.

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