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    I recently had a set of hed c2 32 h to Phil wood 11speed road hubs built .As they say in Ireland 32 or nuthin
     

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    I had problems touring with 36 hole rims way back.
    Stuff got so much better!
    The hope (no pun) for 32 wheels is the roads keep getting worse and the will be needed again.
    (Vision Mad Max landscape).

    edit: I hit a pot hole so hard yesterday on my Ksyriums that my arm hurt. The wheels did not care.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    28h is the new 32h.
    This.... why would you build a 32h wheel when you can do 28h with today's rims unless you are a really heavy guy?
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    Based on better materials in 2017, is the advice:

    32h is the new 36h
    28h is the new 32h
    24h is the new 28h


    As in, if a heavier person was told to be on 36h about 20 years ago (assuming no weight change of the person), they could get the same strength out of a 32h wheel today?

    Or, would you still put the person on 36h because we are only talking about a few extra grams and with lighter materials and butted spokes today's 36h may actually be lighter than a 36h from 20 years ago (assuming the only difference is straight versus butted spokes)?
     

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    I had the hubs lying around so my newest wheelset is a 32/32 CK Classic to DT460s. Overbuilt and not the lightest but the wideness makes them ride nicely.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCfixie View Post
    Based on better materials in 2017, is the advice:

    32h is the new 36h
    28h is the new 32h
    24h is the new 28h


    As in, if a heavier person was told to be on 36h about 20 years ago (assuming no weight change of the person), they could get the same strength out of a 32h wheel today?

    Or, would you still put the person on 36h because we are only talking about a few extra grams and with lighter materials and butted spokes today's 36h may actually be lighter than a 36h from 20 years ago (assuming the only difference is straight versus butted spokes)?
    You can think of spoke count as being about two things: lateral stiffness and vertical load support. It's that vertical load support where higher spoke count comes into play.

    For example, a 28 spoke wheel with heavier spokes might have more lateral stiffness than a 32 spoke wheel with light weight spokes (the 32 light spoke wheel is likely lighter FYI).

    But how much vertical weight a wheel can support is all about spoke tension and spoke count. The spokes on the bottom of the wheel between the hub and ground) are de-tensioned - but you don't want the tension to go so low that the spoke can wiggle around, nipple can back off taking the wheel out of true, and the spokes fatigue and break. The higher the initial 'static' spoke tension the more weight the spoke can take before the tension drops too low. So in theory if you cut the spoke count in half, but double the spoke tension, the wheel can still support the same amount of weight (assuming a theoretical infinitely stiff rim).

    But in the real world, you can only take the tension so high or the rim will crack. So you can't just crank up the tension for heavier riders. Instead you need more spokes, that way there are more spokes helping to carry the weight, and less de-tensioning on each spoke.

    In other words, no matter good modern materials are, you still need enough spokes to carry the weight of the rider.
     

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    Counting back 30 years, is it not the rims that got so much better?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabo View Post
    Counting back 30 years, is it not the rims that got so much better?
    I suspect computer-aided design has been a real boon to wheel building. I'd bet that the strength of the rim itself is greater than 30 years ago, but mostly the quantitative assessment of that strength is more accurate. As a result, manufacturers may be willing to experiment with design and materials more without risking increased liability for failures. So while rims could all be built now to be much stronger than they were 30 years ago, plenty of rims 30 years ago were plenty strong. Manufacturers are building lighter perhaps, but probably more efficiently & effectively and thus less expensively so profits are better. I figure that's why there are a jillion different factory-built wheels available now. The selection is incredible.
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    Another question - would you wheelbuilders lace a 32H wheel with bladed spokes versus spoking with double-butted spokes or are the 32 spokes more the limiting aero/weight factor and the use of bladed spokes wouldn't really change enough about the wheel's performance to be worthwhile?
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    Here are the wheels that Garro built for my dirt road racer. 32H White Industries XMR disc hubs with WTB KOM rims. The two sets of wheels that see the most miles under me are 32H, one with Chorus and Excellence and the other with Record and Easton/Pacenti. The road wheels were built by Terry Wittenberg (RT Wheels, now retired).
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    Bladed spokes?
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    This guy had us racing on 32 blades in the 90's. I'm okay with the 90's.
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    I have bladed CXRays on my Nemesis 32 3x record wheels. Have not used them in a while though. Because... well I have Boras.
     

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    I hope not, I'm riding 36 three cross tied and soldered rear and 32 in front. I break drive side spokes on 32 hole rims I am a Clydesdale. 6' 1" 230.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
    I have bladed CXRays on my Nemesis 32 3x record wheels. Have not used them in a while though. Because... well I have Boras.
    These Boras you speak of - never heard of them but they sound interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFSTEKL View Post
    This guy had us racing on 32 blades in the 90's. I'm okay with the 90's.
    Yes, but he only won the Tour de France 5 times.
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    32 wheels are pretty much DOA for me.
    Would consider 24/28...maybe.
     

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    While I was cleaning them after a few recent sloppy weather rides, I told these wheels that they were dead, but they didn't listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    I suspect computer-aided design has been a real boon to wheel building.
    We'll know when Skynet becomes self-aware because we'll all be laying on the ground, looking at failed wheels.
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