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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    Nice Green!

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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    great! a speedvagen without the BIG BONE Enve stem.

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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    Great color combo! The navy is a great offset to the other colors.

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    I love the deda stem on steel bikes; seems to really look right and not like a growth.
    The navy really keeps is looking cleaner than it is. The old light blue always looked rough

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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    the ENVE BONE looks ugly on any 1 1/8 HT bike.

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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    Now that all the info is public...
    Here are pics of my ready made SV OG1. Rode it for a couple weeks bone stock and it was plenty fine. In fact it was a rocking deal.
    I did have some nice bits in the parts bin so swapped my enves on there and my DA cranks with bigger gearing. Its a stock 56. A little shorter and a little less drop but still goes to 11.
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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    Very Nice!

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    I'm a bit confused by these OG1s: What are Vanilla trying to achieve? Are sales of 'normal' SVs not high enough? The complete OG1 bike costs less than my SV frameset did (with a carbon seattube upgrade) but I can't see if any corners were cut or if they're simply selling the same thing for less money. Won't OG sales heavily cannibalize traditional SVs?

    I'm in love with that purple though!!

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    AFAIK, it's essentially a stock geometry SV at a pre-set price point with a pre-determined build kit and a choice of one of two paint schemes. Since they're not custom geometry, the shop can probably churn out the frames in a much more efficient manner.

    I think they still have a customer base who's willing to wait a little bit longer for the intricate paint jobs and pay the premium for it.
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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    Quote Originally Posted by hmai18 View Post
    AFAIK, it's essentially a stock geometry SV at a pre-set price point with a pre-determined build kit and a choice of one of two paint schemes. Since they're not custom geometry, the shop can probably churn out the frames in a much more efficient manner.

    I think they still have a customer base who's willing to wait a little bit longer for the intricate paint jobs and pay the premium for it.
    I understand the mechanics of it - but in my eyes it seems like a strange move business-wise.

    FWIW the default for SV's is 'stock' geometry unless you want to spend $1000 for custom geo.

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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    I'm a bit confused by these OG1s: What are Vanilla trying to achieve? Are sales of 'normal' SVs not high enough? The complete OG1 bike costs less than my SV frameset did (with a carbon seattube upgrade) but I can't see if any corners were cut or if they're simply selling the same thing for less money. Won't OG sales heavily cannibalize traditional SVs?

    I'm in love with that purple though!!
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    Sweet! Ride it well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmai18 View Post
    AFAIK, it's essentially a stock geometry SV
    Wasn't the original inception of SV to enable Vanilla bikes to become more readily available in stock sizes and paints?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    I'm a bit confused by these OG1s: What are Vanilla trying to achieve? Are sales of 'normal' SVs not high enough? The complete OG1 bike costs less than my SV frameset did (with a carbon seattube upgrade) but I can't see if any corners were cut or if they're simply selling the same thing for less money. Won't OG sales heavily cannibalize traditional SVs? I'm in love with that purple though!!
    it's a pricing package that offers a "discount" for less customer choice
    Quote Originally Posted by hmai18 View Post
    AFAIK, it's essentially a stock geometry SV at a pre-set price point with a pre-determined build kit and a choice of one of two paint schemes. Since they're not custom geometry, the shop can probably churn out the frames in a much more efficient manner. I think they still have a customer base who's willing to wait a little bit longer for the intricate paint jobs and pay the premium for it.
    this^
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    I like everything except the name. Original Gangster? Lame turned to 11. Really. Decadent hipsterism. Zero clue. I would never own anything called original gangster.
    agreed. I am not 16yo
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    Wasn't the original inception of SV to enable Vanilla bikes to become more readily available in stock sizes and paints?
    exactly right. oh and BTW at ~15 units/year for vanilla and the workshop all in on SV, no one will be getting a "vanilla" anytime soon.

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    It was my understanding that in the first few years of SV Sacha welded the front triangle and DeSalvo did the rear. Are the SV's or OG's still touched by Sacha?
    I assume to get costs down on OG's Sacha doesn't touch them? Is OG left over form this promo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    I understand the mechanics of it - but in my eyes it seems like a strange move business-wise.

    FWIW the default for SV's is 'stock' geometry unless you want to spend $1000 for custom geo.

    what is strange in wanting to have more market?

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    Default Re: Speedvagen Race Bikes

    I also thought that one of the original inceptions of SpeedVagen was that they were meant as race bikes, with a strong tone of "we expect all of them to raced and ridden hard." That tone seems to have faded and it seems alot of them are garage queens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KonaSS View Post
    I also thought that one of the original inceptions of SpeedVagen was that they were meant as race bikes, with a strong tone of "we expect all of them to raced and ridden hard." That tone seems to have faded and it seems alot of them are garage queens.
    Once you buy something you can't afford to crash and burn, it becomes too expensive to train on, race, and abuse. For many people, a Speedvagen reaches that price point, and it's not a fault of the bike. Garage queenage is the fault of the owners, not the manufacturer.

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    All y'all haters are obvi not original gangstas. ;)

    Seems their hierarchy is the difference b/t a GM truck, a Chevy truck, and Cadillac Escalade. Or Gunnar --> Waterford --> Waterford deluxe. I'd definitely drive the GM or ride a Gunnar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartattackrider View Post
    It was my understanding that in the first few years of SV Sacha welded the front triangle and DeSalvo did the rear. Are the SV's or OG's still touched by Sacha?
    I assume to get costs down on OG's Sacha doesn't touch them? Is OG left over form this promo?
    Flip that I think. DeSalvo did the welding and Sacha the brazing. I am pretty sure all tubes were welded up with exception of the SS, which were brazed. Dropouts were brazed too.
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