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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Quote Originally Posted by oldmuthariley View Post
    Now that is a very nice looking bike indeed.
    Needs straight forks though
    Arrived today - they look *so* much better:



    It's also now an all-Melbourne frameset, as the forks are from Curve who are also based there.

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Because I promised Mark I would do a back-to-back comparison of the two bikes he has built me, I got the first one setup on the Fulcrums today so that it's ready. The plan will be to do a local loop on #2, come back, switch wheels and repeat the loop on #1. Feedback for Mark will be entirely subjective based on how each bike feels, but I think that in itself could be quite revealing and will certainly be interesting.

    It has to be said, #1 does wear deep rims quite well:



    EDIT: This pic has made me realise that rear brake cable outer is still too short, damn it...

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    Arrived today - they look *so* much better:



    It's also now an all-Melbourne frameset, as the forks are from Curve who are also based there.
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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Just sent this to Mark - thought I'd post it here too:

    I finally managed to get a back-to-back ride of the two bikes done at the weekend - below is a few notes about what I discovered.

    Caveats:
    • Slightly different geo (mainly chain stay length, but also traditional Vs compact)
    • Different saddle (Tune saddle and post on #2 are very compliant)
    • Standard (#2) Vs semi-compact (#1) chainsets
    • #2 is a lighter build than #1 (by at least 500g, possibly more - I forgot to weigh #1, but #2 is hovering around 7kg)
    • This is all entirely subjective!

    #1:
    • Slightly more road feedback at the back end
    • Transfers everything at the front
    • No significant difference in power transfer, although very subtly more ‘lazy’ than #2
    • Slower to turn in (due to longer chain stays?)
    • Can get the chain to rub the front mech under power
    - a spot of fine-tuning on the front mech may not have highlighted this
    - the auto-adjust of Di2 could be hiding similar movement on #2
    • No noticeable flex in the frame despite this
    • Bike generally feels a bit more lazy

    #2:
    • So smooth I always look down to check my rear tyre isn't flat
    - I even remember doing this with the firmer Fizik K:1 saddle and less flexy Deda post on it)
    • Power transfer is very good despite this
    • Power transfer subtly more lively than #1
    • Front end much smoother despite OS head tube and tapered fork
    • Very direct (but not at all twitchy)
    • Overall racier feel

    The extra feedback feel at the back end on #1 could be down to the wishbone setup coupled with the horizontal top tube, meaning less of the seat post is out of the frame to provide extra flex that could be smoothing the ride of #2.

    Both bikes feel absolutely planted, which I am attributing to their low BB drops (#1 is 79mm, #2 is 80mm).

    As I have mentioned previously, the stiff front end of #1 could easily be smoothed with a less stiff fork (the Enve and Falz that I have used on #1 to date are both quite firm forks), and further damped with the use of carbon bars (I currently run alu bars on both bikes).

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    #2 wins!
     

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    No.2 for me too...... Love the mix of tune components with the wood frame, each compliments the other.
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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Quote Originally Posted by corko View Post
    ...... each compliments the other.
    They say nice things about you, too.

    Jokes aside, this has been a steep learning curve, Rich's feedback has been enormously helpful along the way.

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Finally got some decent shots done of this.

    Couldn't be bothered to wait for a professional to do the shots on the basis that the Tune stuff is now doing my brain in and I need it gone from the bike, so I took my (actually surprisingly good) Olympus Tough compact up to the local WWII gun placement and reeled off 60 or so snaps. A few came out alright:



    The Tune post and stem are already off and replaced with Fizik (the saddle is staying 'cos it's comfy). It already looks and feels better for it and I no longer have to put up with a seat post that clicks and creaks because it won't stay tight on the saddle rails. No pics yet, but I'll grab one soon.

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Tune gear seems to be more hassle than not these days...
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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Latest:



    As good as the Tune stuff looked, this looks better, and it's all much more robust kit. The only thing I feel the need to try now is the Fizik 00 post, but I'm in no hurry.

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Looks great Rich! I just had my first ride on the 00 post on my new supercommuter (I use the post you have on my Gaulzetti). So far so good - it is really light, looks great, and so far no creaking or other seatpost sins.

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Nothing wrong with the tune stem imho, but that tune seat post just has the worst of everything, the Thomson bend and the cradle yolk setup for the rail clamp is awful. but if you keep the stem, you no longer have matching collar and cuffs...so agree completely with the Fisk choice, love the seat post but the stem not so much(way too heavy too).

    All in all though that lyrebird has reached a new peak in the looks dept.
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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Unfortunately an issue appears to have arisen with the Di2 setup on my second Lyrebird so it has gone back to base today to investigate and (hopefully) resolve. I have an incoming eTap shift kit that I would love to put on it, but it would be a shame to waste the efforts Mark has put into sorting the Di2 solution on this bike.

    Consequently, my first Lyrebird is rebuilt for daily driver duties (this is now my only bike until #2 returns). It's definitely a firmer ride, but it's undeniably good looking:





    I'm tempted to get a pair of Columbus Minimal forks and a carbon bar in an attempt to tone down the front end stiffness (the Falz is quite a firm ride, and I currently run alu bars), but there's no immediate rush.

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Nice . No bikes left??!!

    You must be planning something....
     

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Quote Originally Posted by oldmuthariley View Post
    You must be planning something....
    Always. ;)

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    Unfortunately an issue appears to have arisen with the Di2 setup on my second Lyrebird so it has gone back to base today to investigate and (hopefully) resolve. I have an incoming eTap shift kit that I would love to put on it, but it would be a shame to waste the efforts Mark has put into sorting the Di2 solution on this bike.

    Consequently, my first Lyrebird is rebuilt for daily driver duties (this is now my only bike until #2 returns). It's definitely a firmer ride, but it's undeniably good looking:





    I'm tempted to get a pair of Columbus Minimal forks and a carbon bar in an attempt to tone down the front end stiffness (the Falz is quite a firm ride, and I currently run alu bars), but there's no immediate rush.
    Bigger tyres.
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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    Quote Originally Posted by CarbonNeutral View Post
    Bigger tyres.
    Valid point, except I don't want to run 28s all the time - I prefer 25s.

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    I have a frame on the way for this, but with it sat around and being so quick to install...


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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    #1 in eTap mode:



    Only managed a roller session so far - first proper road ride tomorrow.

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    Default Re: The Tonewood Project: Lyrebird Cycles

    I would ride that bike.
    I came here for the socks.

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