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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Quote Originally Posted by gridno27 View Post
    I have a few different versions of TVT92 Carbone and a TVT Carbone 7...
    I have seen one other photo of a Pinarello TVT and I wondered whether it had a Pinarello geometry or if it was just a TVT Pinarello put their sticker on.
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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Just a guess, but the Pina TVT frames were probably just a paint job. Didn't Delgado use one of those the year he won the Tour on the Reynolds team? That's what the Pina frame at bottom of Pg 4 makes me think of.

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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    Just a guess, but the Pina TVT frames were probably just a paint job. Didn't Delgado use one of those the year he won the Tour on the Reynolds team? That's what the Pina frame at bottom of Pg 4 makes me think of.

    here the original for mine build
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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    That is a magnificent collection of TVTs! Wow!

    I hope they get ridden. Question: Some appear to be team bikes or built to team spec with great attention to detail. What's the back story? That Look appears to be Greg Lemond's bike. That Pinarello/TVT appears to be Pedro Delgado's bike. That Helvetia bike appears to be Pascal Richard's or Steve Bauer's. Amazing collection of my favorite 2nd generation carbon bikes.

    My Looks can trace a direct lineage to these machines though these are 20-25 years older.
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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    such a Gitane ridden by Virenque in 1992, the same year Theunisse rode a Zullo labeled TVT92 ... on the other there were of lot more, e.g. Indurains Banesto, Alcala’sand Kelly‘s PDM and even a Blue Buckler-Colnago ridden by Steven Rooks in 1991... and there a lot more

    I decide for the Gitane to have a MAVIC equipped bike and the Zullo of Dutch TVM-Sanyo Team to have one with 8-speed Shimano DURA ACE

    And of course - I ride all my bikes for fun

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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    So that's not "like" Delgado's PinaTVT, that is Delgado's PinaTVT?

    Great stuff. Very cool collection.
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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    not really a paint-job! Perico already used a Concorde labeled TVT in 1987 when he rode for PDM. In 1988 the Team took a standard rouge couloured TVT92 Carbone and refer to respect to his bike sponsor from Treviso, he but PINARELLO sticker of a GAVIA's type on it. He put even Columbus steel tubing sticker on the TVT carbon fork - But I did the Pinarello headbadge during build up on the right side of the fork - There are pics with on the right side or left side or without.WATSON_DELGADO_00001575-007-M.jpg foto-88-t-003.jpgEBBfTYr8MmPZVfnnKUGXP3.jpgea51404ae2da5b363f6c2180c8932315.jpg

    here also some pics of the other originals ...
    bauer_88.jpgo.jpg
    120770954_10216701753607686_7155965605379834344_o.jpgRichard-Virenque-lors-de-son-premier-Tour-de-France-il-etait-deja-2e-du-classement-de-la-montagn.jpg
    Screen%20Shot%202015-04-24%20at%2012_30_50.jpgTVT92_Zullo_G-J Theunisse.jpg

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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    I made an offer on a local Vitus 979 today - clean and straight, but a bit of TLC could make it a beauty.

    I’m also about to pull the trigger on a TVT 92. That’ll probably get a 9v Chorus group from another bike I’m buying, but it’s tempting to borrow a DA9100 groupset from one of my current bikes... (I’m not riding at the moment so these are all projects to keep me occupied)

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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    I made an offer on a local Vitus 979 today - clean and straight, but a bit of TLC could make it a beauty.

    I’m also about to pull the trigger on a TVT 92. That’ll probably get a 9v Chorus group from another bike I’m buying, but it’s tempting to borrow a DA9100 groupset from one of my current bikes... (I’m not riding at the moment so these are all projects to keep me occupied)
    Those late 80s and early 90s TVTs have always intrigued me. I still ride my Look 585s a ton and it’s basically a descendant of this design.

    Can’t advise on groups but mine wear Shimano 11-speed in 9000 and 5800 varieties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post

    I’m also about to pull the trigger on a TVT 92. That’ll probably get a 9v Chorus group from another bike I’m buying, but it’s tempting to borrow a DA9100 groupset from one of my current bikes... (I’m not riding at the moment so these are all projects to keep me occupied)
    Check the seat tube to bottom bracket adhesion. Then check it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osbk67 View Post
    Check the seat tube to bottom bracket adhesion. Then check it again.
    No issues with any of the lugs, but he has just confessed that the seat post is stuck. I knew it was too good to be true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    ...he has just confessed that the seat post is stuck. I knew it was too good to be true!
    So apparently not actually stuck - just tight; and he didn't have a spare saddle to attach to the seatpost to help him pull it out.

    I'm reserving judgement (and holding onto my hard-earned) until the seatpost is out and he can prove the frame is still ok!

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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Heeeere's Andy:

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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    So, in researching the 979 and the TVT 92 I appear to have inadvertently stumbled across the Vitus 992.

    Oh boy. The aesthetics around that head tube and fork are *ridiculous*:



    There's a NOS blue one on eBay in my size right now. This could get expensive.

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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Damn that is a gorgeous head tube.

    And just to add a make that's not here yet and is hardly exotic but rides remarkably solid (much credit to the C24 wheels) - my restomod 88 or 89 Giant CADEX 980 C:


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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    So, in researching the 979 and the TVT 92 I appear to have inadvertently stumbled across the Vitus 992.

    Oh boy. The aesthetics around that head tube and fork are *ridiculous*:



    There's a NOS blue one on eBay in my size right now. This could get expensive.
    How easy is it to get that headset now? I assume it is some sort of Mavic and possibly there are Mavic headsets that could be cannibalized to rebuild one, but it is an early (sort of) integrated design with races pressed into the frame. I'd want a frame with a top condition headset I think.
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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Quote Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie View Post
    So, in researching the 979 and the TVT 92 I appear to have inadvertently stumbled across the Vitus 992.

    Oh boy. The aesthetics around that head tube and fork are *ridiculous*:




    There's a NOS blue one on eBay in my size right now. This could get expensive.
    I remember when those were available. Early 1990s or so and I'm not sure that's not the bike Sean Kelly won M-SR on for the second time. I remember liking this head tube and headset as well.

    I keep a spare near-NOS Look 585 at home in case of emergency and the headset is clearly a descendent of this design, as was the integrated headset on my old Look 381. I love the aesthetic of these integrated headsets but some with proprietary parts can be a PITA if something gets lost.


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    Here's the legendary Sean Kelly himself on that model.

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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    One step further down the evolutionary path from Saab's 381, and right before the 585, is this 481. Change the headtube 'lugs' to silver and it looks alot like those earlier frames.
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    Default Re: Lugged Aluminum whippets: Vitus, ALAN, Guerciotti

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    One step further down the evolutionary path from Saab's 381 is this 481. Change the headtube 'lugs' to silver and it looks alot like those earlier frames.
    I had one of those briefly but returned it to its seller. He was OK with the return. It had some non-original headset parts that were a deal breaker for me. They increased the distance between the lower bearing cup and the fork and seemed also to increase resistance. It didn't seem to spin properly. Something wasn't right with it. It was my favorite color scheme - black like yours and I wish I had been able to keep it.
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