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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    It's totally true. I considered myself a rebel in my family for not sportin 'tats.
    My dad had a rooster hanging from a noose by one leg so he could win bar bets by betting people "that his cock hung below his knee" I shit you not.
    he also had a skunk with a clothes pin on his nose and a pudgy toddler devil dragging his pitchfork and forked tail, wearing a diaper and weeping saying "nobody loves me" among others...........
    He was a mean, badass Mo-Fo - and he could weld a beer can torn in two. Seen him do it. welded boilers his whole life. Loved puppies, fishin' with buddies & Tom T. Hall. Nobody ever left our house hungry.
    "judge not, lest ye be judged" and all that happy holidays ****
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    Hey Steve...if you like to read fiction at all...get some James Crumley. You'll find traces of your Old Man in there....I found mine, as he was also a BAMF who brought more then enough of everything to the table....with all the good and bad that can come from that.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    I think I stole that from Stu.
    nah - you're not on facebook atmo.

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    awesome story. thanks for sharing it.

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    ...snip...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    <snip> I realized that I had a little different background than the other's in my class ...
    Jon was the one with the flux-covered Alden cap-toes
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    nah - you're not on facebook atmo.
    I was when I posted it. Actually I remember now, I stole it from Jeff Archer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneJ View Post
    Jon was the one with the flux-covered Alden cap-toes
    Yes, but I've rarely voted republican since the party was hijacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    I was when I posted it. Actually I remember now, I stole it from Jeff Archer.
    it's ours now; that's how design works atmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    it's ours now; that's how design works atmo.
    "Good artists borrow - great artists steal" - Pablo Picasso.
    - Garro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    I was when I posted it. Actually I remember now, I stole it from Jeff Archer.
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    it's ours now; that's how design works atmo.
    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    "Good artists borrow - great artists steal" - Pablo Picasso.
    - Garro.


    this is like the V version of dueling banjos atmo...



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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    "Good artists borrow - great artists steal" - Pablo Picasso.
    - Garro.
    PABLO PICASSO by THE MODERN LOVERS - YouTube

    pablo picasso was never called an asshole.

    -jonathon richman
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerk View Post
    PABLO PICASSO by THE MODERN LOVERS - YouTube

    pablo picasso was never called an asshole.

    -jonathon richman
    I met Jonathan Richman four times. We used to talk about the Sierras - he lives in Grass Valley, CA now.
    Super nice guy! Some of the best shows I have ever seen. "Ride my bike past the root beer stand, purple squirtgun in my hand" I love that guy........."Abdul loves Cleopatra, how I wonder where she's at-tra" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blcNlsFgk9Q
    - Garro.
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    Confession- The "borrow/ steal" thing always bugged me out of context. The implication that you need to do something new with the borrowed foundation sometimes gets glossed over (Garro gets it, under grad art students sometimes not so much).

    One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest.

    Philip Massinger. T.S. Eliot. 1921. The Sacred Wood; Essays on Poetry and Criticism
    Good Poets Borrow, Great Poets Steal… | Protect | and | Leverage

    Take what you want, but do something with it. Parallels to derivative work (in any profession) can be made.

    Criminy- that sounds surly. I'm actually having a great holiday weekend- in no small part to having a couple of open shop days were I shot the breeze with old and new forum fiends!

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    Take what you want, but do something with it. Parallels to derivative work (in any profession) can be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaneshige Michiaki
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    ...tradition is always changing. a mere copy of an old piece has not changed; it is nearly the same as its prototype of four hundred years ago. tradition consists of creating something new with what one has inherited atmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerk View Post
    PABLO PICASSO by THE MODERN LOVERS - YouTube

    pablo picasso was never called an asshole.

    -jonathon richman
    Not in New York...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    Jeez - not to pidgeonhole people or anything...........Who cares what they do as long as they enjoy their time with you and you enjoy it as well? Does voting republican or going to church make you a better builder?
    I'm the only person in my family WITHOUT tattoos, including my mom!
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    This subject tread has a bit of drift from builders publicly confessing their sins to what it takes to be a framebuilder. When I was a high school guidance counselor before becoming a framebuilder/painter, it was my job to try and help direct students to career or educational choices in which they could most likely be successful. Part of the formula for figuring this out was matching personality types with those that already were/are successful in a given field. Since the personalities of a typical framebuilding class student is nowhere near typical, it might be of interest to those considering framebuilding how close they match the demographics of those currently wanting to get into the field. My observations weren't value judgments and were given without attitude.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Fattic View Post
    This subject tread has a bit of drift from builders publicly confessing their sins to what it takes to be a framebuilder. When I was a high school guidance counselor before becoming a framebuilder/painter, it was my job to try and help direct students to career or educational choices in which they could most likely be successful. Part of the formula for figuring this out was matching personality types with those that already were/are successful in a given field. Since the personalities of a typical framebuilding class student is nowhere near typical, it might be of interest to those considering framebuilding how close they match the demographics of those currently wanting to get into the field. My observations weren't value judgments and were given without attitude.
    present and past mixed into one eh.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Fattic View Post
    Part of the formula for figuring this out was matching personality types with those that already were/are successful in a given field.
    i was diagnosed (is that the correct word?) as an ISFP as a result of being a case study for this book atmo. by then i was already 15 years in the trade.

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    It's really interesting how people who write books find you Richard. Actually, it's well deserved I think. I think Doug is spot on with this one. I find it interesting to see the data, but also realize it makes total sense.

    Richard, if we were to take the "vehicle" part of the equation out of this discussion, would you feel differently about making frames, art, sides of the curve and all?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Ryan View Post
    It's really interesting how people who write books find you Richard. Actually, it's well deserved I think. I think Doug is spot on with this one. I find it interesting to see the data, but also realize it makes total sense.

    Richard, if we were to take the "vehicle" part of the equation out of this discussion, would you feel differently about making frames, art, sides of the curve and all?
    let me finish a few more grand cosmos and i'll reply. shouldn't all you gentiles be doing something so that me, dave1215, and too tall can have some privacy atmo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    let me finish a few more grand cosmos and i'll reply. shouldn't all you gentiles be doing something so that me, dave1215, and too tall can have some privacy atmo?
    turn up the volume, treble and bass.
     

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