Bicycle Quarterly Reviews the Love #3

[mschol17]

Unsurprisingly, Jan didn't like it. Some choice quotes:

"To my surprise, the bike and I could go significantly faster. The bike was not giving me feedback about how hard I was working. Unlike more flexible frames, it was not enticing me to try harder and go faster."

"the handlebars were about 40 mm higher than I would prefer. Even so, it did not seem to limit my performance."

"I was not prepared for the Pegoretti's lack of acceleration."

"I found the Pegoretti too unstable to inspire confidence."

"Overall, the appeal of the Pegoretti probably lies more in the name and the story behind the brand, rather than the actual bike."

And one bonus...

"This means that bike handling may be less important for professional racers than it is for enthusiast riders who like to explore the limits of tire adhesion as they enjoy their bikes."




Discuss.

[e-RICHIE]

it has to be said -
this is fucking lame atmo.

[crumpton]

that was lame. is that how he rode it? 3 sizes too big?

[Dave Kirk]

that was lame. is that how he rode it? 3 sizes too big? WTF?

French fit yo.

Dave

[jerk]

where can you even begin?

[Michael White]

It certainly makes sense that bike handling would be less important to a professional bike racer than to a nonracer.
?

[WanderingWheel]

Jan's a strong rider with very definite opinions, but he often uses pseudo-science to back them up. It wasn't the right bike for him in the first place, nothing wrong with that.

[atmo]

... but he often uses pseudo-science to back them up.

gets it atmo.

[El Chaba]

.... he often uses pseudo-science to back them up.....

That's a polite way of saying that when he wants to back up some weird notion, he just grabs something out of his ass.....

[crumpton]

French fit yo.

Dave

i prefer french fries

[Saab2000]

i prefer french fries

Do you mean 'Freedom Fries'?

[DarrenCT]

after i saw the saddle, i couldn't possibly take this idiot seriously

[Saab2000]

And pretty much everything else. Check out the 15-year old Look MTB pedals...

[jscottyk]

If he would have used some carbon paste on that seat post it wouldn't have slipped so low.

[SteveP]

this was indurain?
or some ass writing a blog?


" i rode a bike 3cm too big for me and i didnt like it."
brilliant analysis.

[Dazza]

it is impossible to have a serious discussion unless the subject matter is informative, qualified, logical, sensible and mature
so I may be lacking in the above

Unsurprisingly, Jan didn't like it. Some choice quotes:

"To my surprise, the bike and I could go significantly faster. The bike was not giving me feedback about how hard I was working. Unlike more flexible frames, it was not enticing me to try harder and go faster."

Bikes do not tell you how hard you are working, your Mark One cranium computer tells you how hard your motor is going, if you need a frame to tell you how hard you are leaning on the pedals by bending like a fishing pole then one's circuitry in the top paddock is faulty.
Hey Migual , go harder the frame Dario made is decieving you! Oh, you won 5 TDF anyhow....
"the handlebars were about 40 mm higher than I would prefer. Even so, it did not seem to limit my performance."
Oh this is silly, if one so sensitive to frame's giving flex feed back cannot notice the measurable aero dynamic drag of 40mm and the resulting increase in the rider's body frontal area then ...................
"I was not prepared for the Pegoretti's lack of acceleration."
How was this measured against the real wattage applied to the pedals compared to other flexy frames? Where did his pedal wattage disappear while on it's way to twisting the rear hub? How the heck can you grunt a standing start with the handle bars up around your ears?
"I found the Pegoretti too unstable to inspire confidence."
sounds like wrong colour, and the tubes were bigger than his aesthetic desire, and the frame was not made to fit him
"Overall, the appeal of the Pegoretti probably lies more in the name and the story behind the brand, rather than the actual bike."
Jan, it is about time you got a good night's sleep, too much tackle taken on those long night's of PBP
And one bonus...

"This means that bike handling may be less important for professional racers than it is for enthusiast riders who like to explore the limits of tire adhesion as they enjoy their bikes."
hey Migual, that bunch of rando riders just dropped you on the decent off the Galibier in the pouring rain as "they explore the limits of tyre ashesion", you're a whimp on your 58mm trail bike






Discuss.

It is hard to believe one could publish this material and expect to be taken seriously by any one with rational thought
I will try to be a bit more serious,
No one can test a bespoke builder's product with validity unless it was designed and built for that person doing the testing. It also has to be tested and used if the tester is capable of in the manner the machine was intended to be used. If the bike is a grunt bike and or made for big heavy, tall riders, and the rider has to be able to do the grunt. That Pegoretti is not intended for 24 hours of 80 watt puttering along pedaling.
Other wise it would be like putting me into driver's seat of Dave's Lotus and do test laps instead of the STIG.
To do a test in any other manner is irrational, hence invalid and maybe even discriminatory for an intended purpose.
Just grabing a bike off the shelf, having a different position to your normal trained and hopefully proper biomechancial position, then commenting on lack of frame flex not enticing them to go harded while having the handle bars up 40mm higher is nonsensical if we are speaking about high performance cycling.
If I rode a bike with a position like that in the photo I would be understandably be creeping * as I do my high performance test!
Some people need positions like that to ride with comfort and enjoyment, this is cool, correct and rational however that does not mean they can do a detailed, valid high performance bike test and publish it with validity.


* Creeping = Australian cycling technical term for going slow, struggling, cannot scatch myself, get out of my own way..... etc

[e-RICHIE]

it is impossible to have a serious discussion unless the subject matter is informative, qualified, logical, sensible and mature
so I may be lacking in the above



It is hard to believe one could publish this material and expect to be taken seriously by any one with rational thought
I will try to be a bit more serious,
No one can test a bespoke builder's product with validity unless it was designed and built for that person doing the testing. It also has to be tested and used if the tester is capable of in the manner the machine was intended to be used. If the bike is a grunt bike and or made for big heavy, tall riders, and the rider has to be able to do the grunt. That Pegoretti is not intended for 24 hours of 80 watt puttering along pedaling.
Other wise it would be like putting me into driver's seat of Dave's Lotus and do test laps instead of the STIG.
To do a test in any other manner is irrational, hence invalid and maybe even discriminatory for an intended purpose.
Just grabing a bike off the shelf, having a different position to your normal trained and hopefully proper biomechancial position, then commenting on lack of frame flex not enticing them to go harded while having the handle bars up 40mm higher is nonsensical if we are speaking about high performance cycling.
If I rode a bike with a position like that in the photo I would be understandably be creeping * as I do my high performance test!
Some people need positions like that to ride with comfort and enjoyment, this is cool, correct and rational however that does not mean they can do a detailed, valid high performance bike test and publish it with validity.


* Creeping = Australian cycling technical term for going slow, struggling, cannot scatch myself, get out of my own way..... etc

ink is cheap atmo

[Bssc]

complete lack of competence is wholly shone here

[Roman]

That poor bicycle in that photo.. It looks like it's a ransom photo- "It rubs the proofhide on its saddle"

The man needs a basic quantitative or qualitative research methods course, otherwise his informed opinion is ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag.

[EricKeller]

well, at least he picked on someone that isn't going to be hurt by his review. The man has no insight, I could have told him he wasn't going to like it and that he shouldn't even bother. As it is, this almost seems like willful slander. He likes bikes that have forks that have the rake right at the fork tips and look like they are going to fold under him on the slightest bump.

I built myself a low trail bike just to see what it was like. I really like it, but I miss having a racing geometry. I really think he's nuts about the handling, if you're in a paceline you do not want a low trail bike atmo. When you're out randonneuring, it's not a problem.