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    Default Re: Nice, fat (27-28c) clinchers

    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    On the subject of tubeless... has anyone tried the Hutchinson Sector 28?
    Yup. Nice-riding tires. You can read my review here.

    I've found that Panaracer's Gravelking offers a similar ride quality, even with tubes.
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    Default Re: Nice, fat (27-28c) clinchers

    Clement LGG 28c mounted on I9 ULCX wheels (21mm inner width) = 29.05mm wide at 90psi. Easily cleared my Enve Road Disc fork. The wider rim doesn't really make the tire taller, just wider.

    Also, tire weighed 236g for the bean counters. I only weighed one of the two.

    Haven't ridden them yet, so no real world thoughts on it.
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    Default Re: Nice, fat (27-28c) clinchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Will Neide View Post
    Clement LGG 28c mounted on I9 ULCX wheels (21mm inner width) = 29.05mm wide at 90psi. Easily cleared my Enve Road Disc fork. The wider rim doesn't really make the tire taller, just wider.

    Also, tire weighed 236g for the bean counters. I only weighed one of the two.

    Haven't ridden them yet, so no real world thoughts on it.
    I have 1200-1300 miles on a set. They ride nicely at 80psi. (I'm 190-200lbs.) Lots of cuts on the rear but only one flat so far when a tiny piece of rock or road debris put a small hole in the tube. More of a leak than a flat but I swapped the tube anyway. I'm a fan.

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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    Quote Originally Posted by tamaso View Post
    Got a set of 28mm Schwalbe ONE clinchers on the way, so I will report soon on how they do with my own 'way overbuilt' chunkers, ha.
    So far, so good! The 28mm ONEs are just barely undersized on a 'normal' width rim (Open Pro) and closer to 29mm on a 'wide' road rim (H+Son Archetype), round shape on both rims but even less 'tall' on the wide rims. Casing feels very light / supple and the ride has been incredibly smooth over crappy city streets and some gravel dirt miles so far... Feels wider than it is, in a good way. Durability looks promising at the moment, but time will tell, obviously.
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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    Quote Originally Posted by tamaso View Post
    So far, so good! The 28mm ONEs are just barely undersized on a 'normal' width rim (Open Pro) and closer to 29mm on a 'wide' road rim (H+Son Archetype), round shape on both rims but even less 'tall' on the wide rims. Casing feels very light / supple and the ride has been incredibly smooth over crappy city streets and some gravel dirt miles so far... Feels wider than it is, in a good way. Durability looks promising at the moment, but time will tell, obviously.
    I've been very interested in the tubeless version of these but the availability date from QBP keeps moving back. I have been riding Specialized Roubaix Pro 25/28 which measure about 29 on an archetype rim and they have been fairly quick, decently comfortable and very durable.

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    Default Re: Nice, fat (27-28c) clinchers

    Quote Originally Posted by teleguy57 View Post
    Probably makes sense to put a tire you know on a new wheel so you can see how the wheel rides vs trying to figure out if it's wheel or tire. I'm interested in how you compare the Nucleons to the Belgiums as I'm considering them for another set of tubs. I had them in clincher 32/32 and they rode well. While I have a set of Record hubs I'm thinking 32/32 on the Belgium tub may be a bit harsh based on what I've read some other places...

    Also interested in what you think of the Schwalbe One tubs.

    But since this is a clincher thread I'll say I always really liked my Open Pave CGs with latex tubes. I rode them in 24 and if/when I decide the Ultremo ZXs in 28s are ready for retirement I'd like to consider the Open Paves in 27, the new Schwalbe One or the Compass for a fatter clincher.
    The Nucleons have been serviced and I put the Schwalbe Ones on them. Fantastic combination, they cornered beautifully and confidently.

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    Mounted a pair of 28mm Ones last night in a tubeless setup on SL23 rims. With zero miles they measure a hair over 29mm.
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    Default Re: Nice, fat (27-28c) clinchers

    I just picked up a really nice Eriksen that the owner fitted with Compass Chinook Pass, 28's. My first experience with these and I'm very impressed. They seem to just roll and roll, and unbelievably comfortable as well as confidence inspiring, great cornering. Disclaimer, for the past decade or so of my life I've ridden GP3000's, now the 4000's, 23's and 25's.

    The Chinooks are remarkably light for the size and so far seem to be wearing well. I'll measure later with a caliper and post the exact width. I've got mid reach brakes and could probably easily get away with 32's. But so far, these Compass tires are impressing me.

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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Porter View Post
    25mm Schwalbe Ones measure exactly 26 on my Campy Neutron Ultras. Just used them for a 310 mile week in Spain--lots of climbing, descending (doh!) on a mix of roads from perfect to choppy. They are freaking amazing for their smoothness and grip. I feel I was descending in the big sweepers at a lean angle that would have dumped me on some other tires. Big big fan after just a week. I used the Ultremo ZX in 28 for L'Eroica a couple years ago and they were a great compromise for gravel and tarmac. Maybe a bit more prone to wear than the Ones? Didn't ride them long enough to find out. Gave them to DarrenCT and he wore them out. Edit: Forgot to mention that the front tire braking grip on the Ones was really stellar, and I'm a heavy dude.
    Does anyone else have experience with both the Ultremo ZX and the One? I can't figure out the difference between the two. Just put a set of 28mm ZXs on bike #1, and love the cush and grip. Curious to understand how the One differs before getting a set of something for bike #2.

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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    Quote Originally Posted by sbornia View Post
    Does anyone else have experience with both the Ultremo ZX and the One? I can't figure out the difference between the two. Just put a set of 28mm ZXs on bike #1, and love the cush and grip. Curious to understand how the One differs before getting a set of something for bike #2.
    Sizing is nearly identical

    Grip is even better, while being less likely to pick up debris
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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    I'd be curious to know how you measure grip on your tires ? Are you willing to ride in circle within the same radius until you crash ? Or are you talking about absolute grip, grip as advertised by the brand or your own confidence in the grip of your tire ?
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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    I ride them both and I can hardly tell a difference. They're both excellent. If you're already riding a pair of Ultremo ZX, I'd suggest you get a pair the Ones for bike two. You'll have a head to head comparison and, from what I can tell, they're the same price.

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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    I'd be curious to know how you measure grip on your tires ? Are you willing to ride in circle within the same radius until you crash ? Or are you talking about absolute grip, grip as advertised by the brand or your own confidence in the grip of your tire ?
    Ah, just seat-of-the-pants feel, nothing really measurable. They just feel more confidence-inspriing on sweeping 40mph descents than the 25mm Vittorias and Michelins I'm used to. For all I know, that's a result of something other than "grip" or just a figment of my imagination.
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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    I'd be curious to know how you measure grip on your tires ? Are you willing to ride in circle within the same radius until you crash ?
    I keep leaning it over tighter + faster until you can feel them start to skitter

    A steep off-camber driveway makes a good test track! I had one with good clean asphalt on my commute for most of this year


    You can objectively tell how far you got by looking for "chicken strips" on the tread

    a few times I've ridden the 23mm Tubeless Ones all the way to the edge, past the molded-in labels
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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    I'd be interested if you experienced any difference in puncture resistance. I have good experiences with the Ultremo DD as bad weather tire but they only come in 25mm and size rather narrow.

    I'm ready to try the One 28mm but don't know if it's a great idea for a bad weather / crap road / dark of night combination I intend to use them for. I do take care of my tires, mind. I clean them after every ride and they get a close inspection + brush job every weekend.

    Two other tires on my shortlist are the Vredestein Senso Extreme weather and Michelin Pro 4 Endurance.
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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    Quote Originally Posted by pajotfix View Post
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    I'm ready to try the One 28mm but don't know if it's a great idea for a bad weather / crap road / dark of night combination I intend to use them for. I do take care of my tires, mind. I clean them after every ride and they get a close inspection + brush job every weekend. [...]
    Well, it's only one data point, but I've had my One 28mms since April and they've been ridden in dry & rain, on good and bad urban roads and gravel paths during my daily commute in DC and longer weekend rides-- no flats yet, no worrying cuts or sidewall damage yet... As much as I can expect from ANY tire, let alone one that rides so smooth. (Yeah I know, I'm jinxing it now!)
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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    Any thoughts on these two as compared to eachother in 28?
    (not interested in other tires)

    They would be used for gravel/dirt/trail/path (not D2R2 - more like unpaved flat rail trails)


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    I have heard the conti 28 runs small and may not actually be 28mm.

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    Default Re: Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and/or ONE vs. Compass / Grand Bois

    The Conti 4 season I had were barely 28 mm wide mounted on H+Son Archetype (17 mm inner width). And a bit disappointing in terms of comfort.

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    Default Re: Nice, fat (27-28c) clinchers

    I run the 4 seasons about 10 psi lower than other tires and then they ride pretty nicely. Durable as well, though they are definitely on the narrow side. I'd still lean toward the Clement strada LGG, but that wasn't one of the options you asked about.

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    Default Re: Nice, fat (27-28c) clinchers

    28 GP4S measure about 26.5 on my MA40's. Durable as hell so I've gotten over the size misrepresentation. I just installed a pair of Pave twenty sevens, and good lord, they only measure about 25.5 on the MA40's. However, I've looked past the pimples and embraced the lovely ride they offer. They are a cut above in damping from other tires of similar (real) size. I have also used Grand Bois in larger sizes, mostly 28's and 32's in real size, and they are comfy too. The Pave twenty sevens are my current favorite large-ish, muck about tires.

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