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    Default "master" tubular list

    Being that, it seems that *everybody* here rides tubulars, I thought maybe we could share our best of everything's. It seems that there are so many awesome threads.. So being that I enjoy a bit of data with some order (I am math guy, so I apologize), I thought I'd create a template for anyone who uses tubulars. Yes too tall you are expected to share your thoughts, since you guilt everyone (thankfully) into using tubulars. So here it is and feel free to add stuff you feel is missing. I should add, I have less than a 1/1000th of experience with tubulars as many of you do, I just thought it would be a fun thread.


    Pre-stretch? (yes or no):
    Pre-stretch using what:
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?)
    Glue choice #1
    Glue choice #2
    #Layers on rim:
    #Layers on tubular:
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires:

    Method of cleaning rims:
    Any special cleaner for rims:


    Tubular choice #1:
    Tubular choice #2:
    Training Tubular:
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no):
    If yes, what kind of sealant:
    Tubular spare you carry:
    Carry sealant?(yes or no):

    Rim of choice #1:
    Rim of choice #2:

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    Guess I should start.

    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): no, unless using conti's. (if using conti's I put a layer of electrical tape on an old rim and soak it in some warm water<--learned that here.
    Pre-stretch using what: old gl330 rim
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): no, should I?
    Glue choice #1: 3t fast tack
    Glue choice #2: Vittoria Mastik
    #Layers on rim: 3
    #Layers on tire: 2
    Any special method to putting on tires?: I am not that advanced yet, I just try to make sure it goes on with as little glue as possible on the rims
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: DARN IT

    Method of cleaning rims: just get off the major globs
    Any special cleaner for rims: someone tell me what I should use because I am never sure


    Tubular choice #1: Vittoria evo cx 700x25
    Tubular choice #2: I may be a FMB convert
    Training Tubular: Conti something or an old vittoria
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): yes
    If yes, what kind of sealant: caffelatex
    Tubular spare you carry: conti something
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): no, but may start to

    Rim of choice #1: enve 65
    Rim of choice #2: velocity escape or older mavic or older campagnolo

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    Default Re: "master" tubular list

    This thread is wiki bound.

    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): Always and forever.
    Pre-stretch using what: Clean tubular rims. Lacking that, cover an old rim with plastic wrap.
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?) Yes always. Vittorias, for instance, have a tough layer of latex. Scuffing allows glue to penetrate to basetape.
    Glue choice #1 Vittoria Mastic One
    Glue choice #2 Continental
    #Layers on rim: 2 + 1 wet final coat immed. prior to installing the tyre.
    #Layers on tubular: 2
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: ATMO ATMO ATMO

    Method of cleaning rims: Hair dryer and plastic tools
    Any special cleaner for rims: Nope. Only did this once when I got a set of used track wheels that had some horrific tubasti.


    Tubular choice #1: Veloflex
    Tubular choice #2: Vittoria
    Training Tubular: N/A Either ride the good stuff or stuff it
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): Never unless I am riding a event where time is of the essence and I'm planning on clocking a good time.
    If yes, what kind of sealant: Stan's. Most success with this.
    Tubular spare you carry: Depends. For mixed terrain I carry the same width I'm riding. For the road old patched Conti sprinters/comps are hard to beat.
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): Just shoot me. No.

    Rim of choice #1: Velocity Escape
    Rim of choice #2: Nemesis

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    Default Re: "master" tubular list

    Am a rank tubular newbie, but at least I can format this a bit for people...

    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): Yes.
    Pre-stretch using what: An Aerohead O/C clincher rim with a dented brake track.
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?) No, but if I rode Vittorias I would.
    Glue choice #1 Conti
    Glue choice #2
    #Layers on rim: 2 + 1 wet
    #Layers on tubular: 3
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: None

    Method of cleaning rims: Heat gun and plastic scraper
    Any special cleaner for rims: No


    Tubular choice #1: Conti Competition
    Tubular choice #2: Next pair will definitely be Veloflex Roubaix 25mm
    Training Tubular: N/A
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): No.
    If yes, what kind of sealant: N/A
    Tubular spare you carry: Conti Grand Prix 4000 - it appears to be like the Specialized Armadillo of the tubular world, and folds to something about the size of Heisenbergs forearm. But Happycampyer gave it to me for free, so you can't beat that. Also, the one time I've used it, it worked great.
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): No.

    Rim of choice #1: Ambrosio Nemesis
    Rim of choice #2: Would like to try some Zipp 303 Firecrests

    Repair kit: Velox $9 kit
    Latex Solution: Velo Guard Tire Saver

    Storage: ALE white leather toe strap with the buckle pad. Looking for a nice tube sock with a multi-striped top, but coming up short.
    Inspiration: Too Tall, natch!

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    Default Re: "master" tubular list

    I'm 2 years into Tubulars

    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): Always - at least a day or two
    Pre-stretch using what: Semi-clean old rims
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): I don't - but I've never mounted a new Vittoria
    Glue choice #1: Mastik 1
    Glue choice #2: There's another choice?
    #Layers on rim: 2
    #Layers on tubular: 2
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: ****** ****

    Method of cleaning rims: Knock down the dried-up high stuff. You want pristine - Jasco.
    Any special cleaner for rims: Jasco for obsessive compulsive people

    Tubular choice #1: Conti Comps are good enough
    Tubular choice #2: FMBs were pretty sweet except for basetape/casing separating
    Training Tubular: Conti Comps
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): Only in punctured tubulars
    If yes, what kind of sealant: Stans
    Tubular spare you carry: Whatever has been patched or pulled off an almost done
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): no

    Rim of choice #1: Carbone
    Rim of choice #2: Nemesis
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    Blow up and pin a picture of M. Bartoli on your wall. When you achieve that position, stop. Until then, stretch, ride, stretch, ride, eat less, and ride more.

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    Default Re: "master" tubular list

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamaris View Post
    Being that, it seems that *everybody* here rides tubulars, I thought maybe we could share our best of everything's. It seems that there are so many awesome threads.. So being that I enjoy a bit of data with some order (I am math guy, so I apologize), I thought I'd create a template for anyone who uses tubulars. Yes too tall you are expected to share your thoughts, since you guilt everyone (thankfully) into using tubulars. So here it is and feel free to add stuff you feel is missing. I should add, I have less than a 1/1000th of experience with tubulars as many of you do, I just thought it would be a fun thread.


    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): yes, 1-2 days is enough
    Pre-stretch using what: clean or not so clean old rim or wheel
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?) no on bare cotton, a little on latex-covered base tapes. Jobst Brandt once wrote that the latex covering eliminated the need to scuff.
    Glue choice #1 Vittoria
    Glue choice #2 Continental
    #Layers on rim: 2 plus one wet just before mounting
    #Layers on tubular: 2 on bare cotton, 1 on latex-covered basetapes
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: N/A

    Method of cleaning rims: Nitrile gloves and old terry cloth rag
    Any special cleaner for rims: 3M adhesive remover.


    Tubular choice #1: FMB
    Tubular choice #2: Veloflex
    Training Tubular: N/A
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): Not unless I am trying to repair a leak.
    If yes, what kind of sealant: Tufo
    Tubular spare you carry: Andy Muzi's cheap Servizio Corsa's
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): No

    Rim of choice #1: Nemesis
    Rim of choice #2: GP4

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    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): Yes
    Pre-stretch using what: Old GL330 (does everyone have one of these or what?)
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?) Yes
    Glue choice #1 Mastik
    Glue choice #2 Panaracer
    #Layers on rim: 2
    #Layers on tubular: 2
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: "Did those #$%&@es sell me a 650?"

    Method of cleaning rims: Music and elbow grease
    Any special cleaner for rims: Acetone


    Tubular choice #1: Vittoria Corsa Evo CX
    Tubular choice #2: Conti Competition
    Training Tubular: Conti Sprinter (rides like a rock though)
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): No, probably should
    If yes, what kind of sealant:
    Tubular spare you carry: Vittoria
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): No, but again, probably should

    Rim of choice #1: C2
    Rim of choice #2:Nemesis
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    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): yes
    Pre-stretch using what: some old tubular rims someone gave me
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): a little bit until I get bored
    Glue choice #1: Mastik
    #Layers on rim: 2+1 wet right before mounting
    #Layers on tubular: 2+1 wet right before mounting
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: my thumbs oh my thumbs my thumbs

    Method of cleaning rims: scrape scrape scrape
    Any special cleaner for rims: not usually

    Tubular choice #1: FMB 27 P-R
    Tubular choice #2: Veloflex Criterium
    Training Tubular: See above
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): no
    If yes, what kind of sealant:
    Tubular spare you carry: Those Yellow Jersey ones or whatever I have lying around
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): sometimes (have a can of Caffelatex to try out)

    Rim of choice #1: Reflex (I want some Nemesis rims to try out)
    Rim of choice #2: Major Toms
    Rim of choice #3: HED Bastogne

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamaris View Post

    • Pre-stretch? (yes or no): Yes, inflated periodically.
    • Pre-stretch using what: An old rim or a clean rim.
    • Scuff base tape (yes or no?): Never tried it.
    • Glue choice #1: Vittoria Mastik for Veloflex or Vittoria
    • Glue choice #2: Continental for Continental
    • #Layers on rim: One for a veteran rim with many layers of old stuff and two+ for a new rim.
    • #Layers on tubular: One
    • Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: Faaaaawk.
    • Method of cleaning rims: More beer down the throat while thinking, "I've never cleaned one and I've never rolled one."
    • Any special cleaner for rims:......
    • Tubular choice #1: Veloflex Criterium/Carbon. These are God's own tubulars.
    • Tubular choice #2: Continental for durability. Still mixed results with Vittorias, mostly not great results.
    • Training Tubular: Veloflex
    • Sealant in tubular (yes or no): The one time I tried it it didn't work.
    • If yes, what kind of sealant:.....
    • Tubular spare you carry: An old Hutchinson or an old Veloflex
    • Carry sealant?(yes or no): Nope
    • Rim of choice #1: Campagnolo Nucleon wheelset
    • Rim of choice #2: Ambrosio Synthesis or Nemesis


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    You forgot the critical aging question by the way.

    Aging: yes 6 months minimum for hand made tubs


    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): yes
    Pre-stretch using what: old ambrosio montreal rims
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): depends on which tubular
    Glue choice #1 : mastik1
    Glue choice #2 : mastik1
    #Layers on rim: 2 or 3 if first glue job, 1 if old glue job there
    #Layers on tubular: 1 or 2 depending on how much the base tape drinks glue
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires:

    Method of cleaning rims: paint thinner + elbow grease
    Any special cleaner for rims: acetone


    Tubular choice #1: Veloflex
    Tubular choice #2: FMB
    Training Tubular: Tubular choice 1 or 2
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): never
    If yes, what kind of sealant:
    Tubular spare you carry: old veloflex carbon
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): most of the time no, when I get nervous pittstop

    Rim of choice #1: Nemesis
    Rim of choice #2: Corima

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    Pre-stretch? : Yep.
    Pre-stretch using what: A GEL 280 older than I am.
    Scuff base tape: Only if a Vittoria or "Zipp"
    Glue choice #1 Mastik
    Glue choice #2 Conti
    #Layers on rim: At least 2
    #Layers on tubular: At least 2 if new.
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: "Yeah...you like that huh....you like that...who's your daddy?!"

    Method of cleaning rims: Custom ground antique soupspoon.
    Any special cleaner for rims: A negroni (for me).

    Tubular choice #1: Veloflex
    Tubular choice #2: Challenge
    Training Tubular: Those Yellow Jersey cheapos
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): A bit.
    If yes, what kind of sealant: Some thinned out Stans (secret recipe)
    Tubular spare you carry: Veloflex
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): Only on epically epic epics

    Rim of choice #1: Deep carbon
    Rim of choice #2: Shallow carbon

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    Default Re: "master" tubular list

    rules of threes work

    3 days/ 3 weeks/ 3 years all work for pre stretch always unless you are a pro and change tires several times a week
    3 layers of glue on rim and tire in 3 days time
    scuff the base tape if needed for the glue to be used

    if you are racing and training on tubies never glue up something you are not prepared to race on things happen you need solid back ups not garbage bargain bin no better then good clinger quality

    old ft tires usually make the best spare tire



    conti , vittoria , fastac use the right glue for the right tire


    use the right tools to clean with you do not want to do damage to the rim if inexperience never ever use anything metal on any rim

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    20 yrs riding 'em
    disclaimer: moving towards tufo tape now for road riding

    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): yes
    Pre-stretch using what: old mavic ssc pr
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): vittoria yes, veloflex/conti no
    Glue choice #1: m1
    Glue choice #2: conti
    #Layers on rim: 2+1
    #Layers on tire: 2
    Any special method to putting on tires?: yes
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: call for 2nd person

    Method of cleaning rims: just get off the major globs
    Any special cleaner for rims: yes

    Tubular choice #1: conti steher
    Tubular choice #2: conti comp 700x25
    Training Tubular: challenge p-r
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): yes for training / dirt roads
    If yes, what kind of sealant: caffelatex
    Tubular spare you carry: veloflex pr currently
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): pit stop

    Rim of choice #1: mavic ssc pr
    Rim of choice #2: nemesis, gp4 purple

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    Why are you moving towards tape? Have you had issues with gluing?

    Quote Originally Posted by CXinNH View Post
    20 yrs riding 'em
    disclaimer: moving towards tufo tape now for road riding

    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): yes
    Pre-stretch using what: old mavic ssc pr
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): vittoria yes, veloflex/conti no
    Glue choice #1: m1
    Glue choice #2: conti
    #Layers on rim: 2+1
    #Layers on tire: 2
    Any special method to putting on tires?: yes
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: call for 2nd person

    Method of cleaning rims: just get off the major globs
    Any special cleaner for rims: yes

    Tubular choice #1: conti steher
    Tubular choice #2: conti comp 700x25
    Training Tubular: challenge p-r
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): yes for training / dirt roads
    If yes, what kind of sealant: caffelatex
    Tubular spare you carry: veloflex pr currently
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): pit stop

    Rim of choice #1: mavic ssc pr
    Rim of choice #2: nemesis, gp4 purple

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    Default Re: "master" tubular list

    Quote Originally Posted by nebraskacycling View Post
    Why are you moving towards tape? Have you had issues with gluing?
    simple, clean, quick, works
    (j-spin and jerk approved [TM])

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    Just the facts Jacks.

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    Pre-stretch? (yes or no):Yes. If untreated base tape, raw... Soak them.
    Pre-stretch using what: Whatever is available
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): Yes on latex coated base tape.
    Glue choice #1: Conti or Mastik depending on tire and use.
    Glue choice #2:Tufo Tape only on raw base tape. Very situational for me.
    #Layers on rim: 3
    #Layers on tire: 2
    Any special method to putting on tires?:
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires:

    Method of cleaning rims: Perfectly sculpted butter knife, brass wire wheel on bench grinder.
    Any special cleaner for rims: Acetone.


    Tubular choice #1: Comp 700x25
    :Tubular choice #2: Comp 700x22
    Training Tubular: Clinchers
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): Stan's in butyl, nothing in latex.
    If yes, what kind of sealant:
    Tubular spare you carry: Whatever is available
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): No

    Rim of choice #1: Lightweight Ventoux
    Rim of choice #2: Lightweight Standard
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    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): Yes
    Pre-stretch using what: Whatever I pick up first from the pile. Only stretch for a day
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): yes
    Glue choice #1: Tape
    Glue choice #2: Vittoria Mastik (for cross)
    #Layers on rim: 2
    #Layers on tire: 2
    Any special method to putting on tires?: Be quick

    Method of cleaning rims: tape = clean
    Any special cleaner for rims: see above

    Tubular choice #1: Vittoria evo cx 700x25
    Tubular choice #2: Veloflex
    Training Tubular: Same as above, life is to short
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): no
    If yes, what kind of sealant:
    Tubular spare you carry: Veloflex
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): Yes

    Rim of choice #1: Ambrosio Chrono
    Rim of choice #2: Reynolds carbon

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    Pre-stretch? (yes or no): Yes
    Pre-stretch using what: Guess what--old GEL 330
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?): No--will try next time, but haven't done it for 40 years with no rolls . . . .
    Glue choice #1: Mastik for Vittorias and everything but Contis (Conti for Contis)
    Glue choice #2
    #Layers on rim: 2 plus one wet when mounting
    #Layers on tubular: 2
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: Holy Sweet Jebus

    Method of cleaning rims: heat gun plus edge of old credit card
    Any special cleaner for rims: Acetone for some rims, though don't often (as in practically never) clean to bare rim


    Tubular choice #1: Vittoria SC
    Tubular choice #2: Vittoria Pave, FMB PR 25
    Training Tubular: N/A
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): No
    If yes, what kind of sealant:
    Tubular spare you carry: Old Vitt Pave with about 1000 miles on it--periodically put on a very light coat of glue
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): Sometimes carry a container of Pit Stop, which once got me home rather than changing the tire.

    Rim of choice #1: Zipp 303
    Rim of choice #2: Nemesis

    Technique factoids: With Conti comps, make sure every square mm of air is out of the tire before last coat of glue goes on and then mount totally flat by lifting and centering the tire as much as possible on the rim--don't try to slide it on. Then minimally inflate and center--do this FAST. Opposite for Vitts--have a little air in the tire to give it some shape and lift the tire up and over, centering by reference to the base tape on either side. Carry a single edge razor blade in case you glue one on too well.

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    Default Re: "master" tubular list

    Pre-stretch?: Yep.
    Pre-stretch using what: Old rim.
    Scuff base tape (yes or no?) No.
    Glue choice #1 Mastik
    Glue choice #2 Conti
    Glue choice #3 Tufo Tape (good in a pinch on the road)
    #Layers on rim: 3
    #Layers on tubular: 2
    Word(s) used to stretch annoying tires: Mmmph!

    Method of cleaning rims: (alloy rims) paint stripper. Brush on (sparingly), hose off, wipe down. Done.
    Any special cleaner for rims: Goof-off.


    Tubular choice #1: Vittoria Evo CX
    Tubular choice #2: Tufo Elite 23
    Training Tubular: Maybe a Corsa CR; otherwise, just a CX.
    Sealant in tubular (yes or no): Yerp. Was using Tufo. Gonna try Stans.
    Tubular spare you carry: An older CR or a Tufo.
    Carry sealant?(yes or no): Yerp.

    Rim of choice #1: Mavic Reflex
    Rim of choice #2:

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