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    Default tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    I have a brand new set of custom built Cross wheels.
    28 Sapim CX Ray lacing Enve tub rims to DT Swiss hubs.
    Any amount of torque generates a very annoying creaking noise emanating from spoke rub.
    Should I tie and solder them?
    Is there a better solution?
    un abrazo,
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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    Is there enough tension? Are they 2x pattern? How much do you weigh? I don't like the idea of t&$ as a band aid.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    I'm with Eric on this. Check the tenion. Saipm spokes are pretty stretchy, if they are under tensioned they'll flex more than others.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    I just finished a build with those. Check your tension. No noise here. T & S is not the answer.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    I've had cx-ray/dt 240 wheels that never made a peep. sumpin isn't right. one data point, but I'd guess over the years the vast majority of enve's wheels have been built with either aerolite or cx-ray spokes and dt240 hubs.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    Quote Originally Posted by shoney View Post
    I've had cx-ray/dt 240 wheels that never made a peep. sumpin isn't right. one data point, but I'd guess over the years the vast majority of enve's wheels have been built with either aerolite or cx-ray spokes and dt240 hubs.
    Same. I've got DT's laced with CX-Rays and they're good to go.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    new or old skewer?
    skewers can squeak and click.
    but yeah...what the smart kids said about tension
    "make the break"

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    it is indeed most likely to be your skewer not being tight enough

    at least you don't think it's coming from your bottom bracket area!

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    Thanks all for your responses and interest.
    The annoying noise is coming only from the 29,27 and 25 sprockets on my SR11 cassette.
    I took it off, cleaned everything and rebuilt with proper torque.
    The noise is less prevalent but still there.
    I think my next step will be to replace the KMC chain with a campy one.
    un abrazo,
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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    It's not the chain.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    Quote Originally Posted by htono View Post
    Thanks all for your responses and interest.
    The annoying noise is coming only from the 29,27 and 25 sprockets on my SR11 cassette.
    Take it apart again. and eyeball the 25-29 sprocket carrier. Dont be surprised if something is cracked or otherwise buggered.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    In my early days of Campagnolo 10-speed I had a noisy Chorus cassette. I didn't know it but suspected it and dropped a tiny drop of oil on all the rivets on the cassette carriers. The problem disappeared that day, never to return.

    Like Dorman says, it's not the chain. That said, there is no reason not to use a Campagnolo chain. They are very, very good chains. Durable and precise.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    Ditto. It's not the chain.

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    If you think it's the spokes rubbing you could put something in there temporarily (paper, tape) to see if it quiets down.

    Did your builder stress relieve and bend the spokes at the head end properly?

    Count me among the skeptics for tie & solder. I don't think it's the chain either.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    In my early days of Campagnolo 10-speed I had a noisy Chorus cassette. I didn't know it but suspected it and dropped a tiny drop of oil on all the rivets on the cassette carriers. The problem disappeared that day, never to return.
    Ditto, same experience. A friend had this happen on a 11 spd cassette, used for CX, after a couple seasons, same fix. It's amazing how much noise a tiny cassette rivet can make.

    BTW, when installing a cassette I snug the lock ring, crank on each cog with a chain whip to eliminate any gap to the driving freewhel spline and then torque up the lock ring. I've found this also minimizes potential cassette noises on aluminum freewheels.

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    It's not a tumor
    Chris

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It's not a tumor
    Maybe lupus then?

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    Default Re: tie and solder? I need to quiet my new wheels.

    Thanks again. I will try the rivet approach and report back.

    Henrique
    un abrazo,
    Henrique Tono

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