Page 1 of 7 1234567 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 140

Thread: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Clemson SC
    Posts
    1,901
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Interesting quote from the recent Serroota-Patooda thread:

    "When I see a bike set up with the bars 4" below the saddle, I think Hmmm.....the racer look, and pretty damn useless for 95% of people who ride bikes and 99% of people who could afford to buy a $5000.00 bike."

    True dat.

    So I'm wonderin. What are you paying for? I mean, that ticket, you'd expect to be getting trickle down racing technology, for, you know, going fast and stuff, or for builder expertise that, you know, wouldn't be satisfied by just pullin a bike off the shop floor. So the the 99% who get them $5000 bikes are just doing the trundley-dundley around the county on Saturday, really, what the fuck is the point?

    this question is nothing new -- and do consider the source. I'm just a cheap wannabe racer douche. but still...I fail to see the point.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,173
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    There is no point! You've solved it! Close the thread! Close the forum! Close the Internet!

    ; )
     

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    W Mass
    Posts
    4,219
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by echelon_john View Post
    There is no point! You've solved it! Close the thread! Close the forum! Close the Internet!

    ; )
    Damn, is there still time for me to post "Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Granite Countertop"??
     

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    2,500
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by thollandpe View Post
    Damn, is there still time for me to post "Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Granite Countertop"??
    Rationale? Makes for a sweet heatsink for hot pots.
     

  5. #5
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Clemson SC
    Posts
    1,901
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    it's a tool, not a bottle of wine

    even then, it's more about the alcohol content

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NY & MN
    Posts
    3,608
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by DOOFUS View Post
    So the the 99% who get them $5000 bikes are just doing the trundley-dundley around the county on Saturday, really, what the fuck is the point?
    Luxury purchase, status symbol, photo op, whatever. Maybe wives give them to their husbands after having affairs. Maybe the money just doesn't matter. I don't know. I'm not their customer or demographic.

    We can look at it from the other side too, and I think that's actually more interesting. Lots of people here, including me, have told Serotta that they should build affordable race bikes. But why? What's the point of racing on a $5k+ (or $4k, or $3k) bike when a Spooky/Primus Mootry/Rock Lobster with 105 is probably more functional for half the price? I mean, even the P/1/2 race is sprinting for entry fees and powerbars.

    If we think too much about how expensive bikes are used, I think it's apparent that they're all used for some version of the trundley-dundley. Having a bike shop name on my jersey doesn't really make it different.
     

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    City of Big Shoulders
    Posts
    6,879
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    "make the break"

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    new jersey/marin county
    Posts
    416
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike


     

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,923
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Well, I went that route because I am lazy and I wanted stuff that worked, made me feel secure that as I was trundley-dundley like three or four counties over maybe even in the next state it wouldn't break and wouldn't wear out. Then I found out you put 50 thousand miles on stuff it wears out anyway. I was robbed. Robbed, I tell you.

    Seriously, it's a good question. At what point does a better frame just become as gilding the lily? Paying bucks for good parts makes sense to me because they have little turny bits and things in there, but I think that at some point the benefit curve on a frame flattens out. Not that it'll stop me from buying a nice one or anything if I 'need' it.
     

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Fairfax VA
    Posts
    131
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    The reason for me is to trundle-dundle on a bike I love. Same reason I don't crawl through rush hour traffic in a cheap car on days when I drive, even though the Smart Cars and luxury cars move at the same speed in bumper to bumper traffic.
     

  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Lanesborough, MA
    Posts
    1,174
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Fancy bikes feel good.

    People are curious.

    People like shiny pretty things.

    People like status signifiers.

    People like feeling like connoisseurs.
     

  12. #12
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Lanesborough, MA
    Posts
    1,174
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    I like to think the first three are more important but the consuming psyche is a dark and tangled thing.
     

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Boulder
    Posts
    295
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    I believe some highend frames have better ride quality. For me my Parlee Z1, Hors Categorie CX, and Spectrum are superb and better than any frames that I have tried that are half their price. When I am spending 20 hours a week riding, I prefer the better feeling bike. Now for racing, it doesn't matter. Good geometry and stiffness is what I look for and a frame I can beat the hell out of. I think there is a place for the $5000 frames but I can't afford to race and break them every year like I can a cheap frame.
     

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    291
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    I think this is an unanswerable question. It's not really feasible to do a double blind test on a bike -- the brand and paint and back story and tube set and everything else in your brain that's filed under "bike" is going to affect your perception no matter what. In the audiophile world it's called "psycho-acoustics." Value is not a fixed parameter, no matter how much of an objective racer dude you think you are. I would posit that the most successful builders here and the most successful bicycle makers in general put a lot of thought into managing the mix of objective and subjective qualities in their bikes.
     

  15. #15
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Lanesborough, MA
    Posts
    1,174
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by gjuffer View Post
    the brand and paint and back story and tube set and everything else in your brain that's filed under "bike" is going to affect your perception no matter what.
    Well said. And the concept of psycho-acoustics rings true, so to speak.
     

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Miami
    Posts
    551
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by DOOFUS View Post
    Interesting quote from the recent Serroota-Patooda thread:

    "When I see a bike set up with the bars 4" below the saddle, I think Hmmm.....the racer look, and pretty damn useless for 95% of people who ride bikes and 99% of people who could afford to buy a $5000.00 bike."

    True dat.

    So I'm wonderin. What are you paying for? I mean, that ticket, you'd expect to be getting trickle down racing technology, for, you know, going fast and stuff, or for builder expertise that, you know, wouldn't be satisfied by just pullin a bike off the shop floor. So the the 99% who get them $5000 bikes are just doing the trundley-dundley around the county on Saturday, really, what the fuck is the point?

    this question is nothing new -- and do consider the source. I'm just a cheap wannabe racer douche. but still...I fail to see the point.
    Why buy better made clothes instead of whatever you can get on the Walmart rack, why pay for a camera instead of using your phone if your not a pro, why buy a watch instead of just using your phone, why nicely finished wood shelves instead of cardboard boxes or industrial shelving? Why get a sports car to ride on public roads?

    What's your point?
     

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Flagstaff, Arizona
    Posts
    8,040
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    How much does it weigh?
    - Garro.
    Steve Garro, Coconino Cycles.
    Frames & Bicycles built to measure and Custom wheels
    Hecho en Flagstaff, Arizona desde 2003
    www.coconinocycles.com
    www.coconinocycles.blogspot.com

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    PNW
    Posts
    434
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    The luxury cycling niche is ripe for money making and you can't really blame serotta for making the fondo when there exists $5000+ Asian made carbon endurance bikes that people are buying. The serotta ti frame has to cost many times more than a roubaix frame for example so there is some perceived value there I guess. I think most vsaloners myself included would find another way to spend $5k but then again that bike wasn't meant for us...
     

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Concord, NH
    Posts
    1,389
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    I buy expensive bikes mostly for the chicks.
     

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    State College, PA
    Posts
    4,096
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Incredibly Stupid Thread Where I Question the Rationale of Your $5000 Bike

    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    How much does it weigh?
    - Garro.
    In hundreds it's about 50g, in pennies its about 1250kg. The bike would probably be somewhere in there.

Similar Threads

  1. incredibly bad mt bike parts
    By SteveP in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 237
    Last Post: 08-23-2013, 10:07 AM
  2. Autos thread spin-off -- Convince me this is stupid
    By Ben in forum The Art of Wardrobe
    Replies: 53
    Last Post: 12-13-2012, 02:26 PM
  3. Another stupid question on frame geo
    By frenk in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 08-25-2011, 04:23 PM
  4. Stupid toe-in question
    By Nathanrtaylor in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 07-12-2010, 02:55 PM
  5. Stupid question on SID fork
    By frenk in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-19-2010, 02:22 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •