Have there been anymore R-Sys Gen 2 failures reported

[Mud]

I am curious and I am not defending Mavic, but I am riding the wheels (tubular). I have another option in Record/OPs but I really like the R-Sys wheels.

One failure is one too many, I think Grant emphasized this in other threads. But everyone has been piling on Mavic and other than the one incident, nothing more.

The wheels are light, stiff, accelerate well, and track wonderfully. I am not going to argue about round spokes but my off the cuff speed tests show that they are about equal to the bladed spoked Nimbles I had.

Depending on what Mavic decides to do I will get another set of wheels but they are nice wheels-now if they could solve the spoke problem..... oh well.

So if there are other incidents out there with Gen 2 front wheels I would like to know.:)

[DarrenCT]

id call mavic and report back. im sure they know

[Mud]

for which you can't blame them. With the Gen 1 there were many failures. I can't be the only person dumb enough to ride the Gen 2s (Might be tho). Oh well, I will just have to wait.

[dc.cyclocross]

I am curious and I am not defending Mavic, but I am riding the wheels (tubular). I have another option in Record/OPs but I really like the R-Sys wheels.

One failure is one too many, I think Grant emphasized this in other threads. But everyone has been piling on Mavic and other than the one incident, nothing more.

The wheels are light, stiff, accelerate well, and track wonderfully. I am not going to argue about round spokes but my off the cuff speed tests show that they are about equal to the bladed spoked Nimbles I had.

Depending on what Mavic decides to do I will get another set of wheels but they are nice wheels-now if they could solve the spoke problem..... oh well.

So if there are other incidents out there with Gen 2 front wheels I would like to know.:)

unless I can get Mavic to send me something different, I'll be getting a brand spanking new tubular (I presume) front- happy to sell it to you (or any other informed person) at a bargain price

-marc

[WadePatton]

methinks the publicity and nature of the failures should drive the rate of failure down significantly. iow, if i had a set i certainly wouldn't be riding them-hence zero chance of failure. but tha's just me. good luck.

[znfdl]

methinks the publicity and nature of the failures should drive the rate of failure down significantly. iow, if i had a set i certainly wouldn't be riding them-hence zero chance of failure. but tha's just me. good luck.

I totally agree....

[GrantM]

methinks the publicity and nature of the failures should drive the rate of failure down significantly. iow, if i had a set i certainly wouldn't be riding them-hence zero chance of failure. but tha's just me. good luck.

I suppose that's logical, but there are also many people who never get the word.
You'd only decide to stop using them if you heard of the potential problem...

We get Look keo owners in the shop all the time who never heard of the recall.
I remember back when Bridgestone had a recall on all the forks for the XO-1.
We had sold a bunch of them, and even by leaving phone messages for customers
who we knew we had sold bikes to, some people never came in for a new free fork.

Unless you actually contact every customer who bought an R-sys and told them,
there is no way that at least half the people out there who own an R-sys
have heard about the velonews article. Not everyone is on the bike forums,
or rides with people who would tell them... although I think it's a great thing
the web and cycling community can now help inform people these days.

As a long time service tech, it was always a nightmare of mine to think about
some of the things people were riding without full knowledge of recalls...

-g

[RudAwkning]

A friend of mine, and the shop owner from whom he bought the wheels, both received their replacements R-Sys Gen 2 wheels. Both were so far out of true that they couldn't be fixed. What causes a wheel, straight from the factory, to go this far out of true in transit.

What if the wheel hadn't been so out of true and the end-user didn't notice? They're lucky they had a visual cue. Those wheels would probably have imploded as well.

[Mud]

not whether the wheels were out of true or people hate round spokes, etc etc etc. I am just trying to learn if the one known failure is a one time thing or the wheel is flawed. I don't mean this thread to be a vote on what people think might happen or whether I should ride the wheels.

One failure is too many, but other wheels and others who build wheels have had failures, some perhaps as bad as Mavic. Planes blow up, cars crash, Drs make mistakes etc, life goes on and people don't stop flying, driving or going to the Dr.

I just wanted to know if anyone had heard of more problems with Gen 2.

[dc.cyclocross]

I suppose that's logical, but there are also many people who never get the word.
You'd only decide to stop using them if you heard of the potential problem...

-g

Personally, I didn't even know I had R-sys until a few days ago. I ordered Ksyriums at a LBS and got R-sys by mistake. the logo is pretty much illegible and I just thought they were some new-fangled version.

then I saw the hub-bub on the net and realized what I had...

-marc

[GrantM]

Planes blow up, cars crash, Drs make mistakes etc,
life goes on and people don't stop flying, driving or going to the Dr .

Don't forget swine flu... it's going to kill you before your R-sys gets a chance to

-g

[taz]

One failure is too many, but other wheels and others who have build wheels have had failures, some perhaps as bad as Mavic. Planes blow up, cars crash, Drs make mistakes etc, life goes on and people don't stop flying, driving or going to the Dr.

I just wanted to know if anyone had heard of more problems with Gen 2.

Reasonable people do stop flying, driving or going to doctors if they're aware of a known problem ahead of time. You're trying awfully hard to find a justification to keep riding your R-Sys wheels. It seems to me that if you're comfortable with the risk, go for it. If not, don't.

- taz

[Mud]

but somehow going out in a blaze of glory at 40mph DH to the house is far more appealing than swine flu.

[GrantM]

Reasonable people do stop flying, driving or going to doctors if they're aware of a known problem ahead of time. You're trying awfully hard to find a justification to keep riding your R-Sys wheels. It seems to me that if you're comfortable with the risk, go for it. If not, don't.

- taz

Clear as "mud"...

I think the question is: Does 1 report of a failure constitute a "reasonable" problem?
figuring out where the "reasonable" line is isn't always simple.

-g

[znfdl]

Clear as "mud"...

I think the question is: Does 1 report of a failure constitute a "reasonable" problem?
figuring out where the "reasonable" line is isn't always simple.

-g

Grant gets it......

[Dazza]

“We finish it off by using a synergistic combination of computer controlled manufacturing processes and old-world hand craftsmanship in producing the ultimate racing machine.”

Found on an Australian web site selling imported Asian made carbon/alloy frames.

Translated it reads,
“Through cunning applications of new high-tech, greed-driven, and marketing-correct technology we have thoroughly removed any skilled-labour and knowledge in the Third-World manufacture of the "Ultimate Profit Machine"

Idenity of the author is lost

[Mud]

But I am not sure where the risk "line" is. That is why I asked the question originally. We have all gone a little over the top because of the story from Velonews. Boards like this one are allowed to be over the top. That is what makes them fun, kind of like sports radio for bikes.

I admit that I enjoy the wheels. Would I prefer to own something else at this point. Absolutely. But I can't afford it and must wait for Mavic to do something or not. I don't feel that my wheels present anymore of a risk than what I face just riding the bike in NJ.

They are still looking for the French jet and people are still flying. I don't know how many of the Gen 1 wheels had a problem but people who know of the problem are still riding them.

When I saw the video of the dog in the TDF I still think the wheel might have started to collapse before it hit the dog.

When you draw the line at "1' that is a tough line. Think of all the things that you might not have done if "1" was the line.

I only read this site now and skim Serotta once in a while. I am confident that if there were more instances of wheel failure this forum would be all over it. So there seems to be "1".

I think Stevep rides the 50mm Mavic wheels. I seem to remember one collapsing - perhaps Millar (I think he had a disk also collapse). Doesn't seem to bother him (Steve) and there was no outrage as with the R-Sys.

Again, I am not defending the wheel. Grant was absolutely right that they should have buried them after the recall. But judging by the feedback as to the number of failures (1) with Gen 2, I can't find much reason not to ride the wheels until Mavic comes up with a better solution.

[RudAwkning]

not whether the wheels were out of true or people hate round spokes, etc etc etc. I am just trying to learn if the one known failure is a one time thing or the wheel is flawed. I don't mean this thread to be a vote on what people think might happen or whether I should ride the wheels.

One failure is too many, but other wheels and others who build wheels have had failures, some perhaps as bad as Mavic. Planes blow up, cars crash, Drs make mistakes etc, life goes on and people don't stop flying, driving or going to the Dr.

I just wanted to know if anyone had heard of more problems with Gen 2.

???

Receiving a pair of Gen 2 wheels from the factory that most likely left true but ended up at the recipients doorstep 8mm out of true (and couldn't be brought back to true!), one might question whether or not this wheel would have failed if ridden.

You state above that you "just wanted to know if anyone had heard of more problems with Gen 2."? This is a "problem".

I wouldn't have expected my friend to ride it to find out. If you definie "problem" as "failure", I'll have him send you the wheel so you can find out :D

[SteveP]

i have 3 pr of mavic wheels that i use
cosmic carbones
cosmic carbone slr
and r-sys

im still using them.
ill let you all know if i have a problem.

my team uses slr and r-sys also.
no issues over 1 1/2 seasons.

one guy had a pedal go into the spokes on his slr,
busted a few spokes but nothing catastrophic happened.
wheel was repaired and is back in action.

[Mud]

???

I wouldn't have expected my friend to ride it to find out. If you definie "problem" as "failure", I'll have him send you the wheel so you can find out :D

I have opened at least 200 pairs of Mavics. I have never seen one out of true. More than likely the Fedex boxcrusher service had something to do with it. 8mm is a lot. I doubt they could have been ridden since they would have hit the pads. Wishing someone else's bad fortune on another person is in poor taste.