Firefly Carbon/Titanium Bike

[Lionel]

What is up with that, new model ?

[ergott]

I know I'm being picky, but the Chris King/Enve combination doesn't look great at the bottom race. Almost looks like the crown-race isn't set all the way.

Back on topic, that's a beautiful bike.

[roseyscot]

it's called the ottrelium

(i kid. tyler, jamie, and kevin are gonna do it right)

[Lionel]

Always wondered what these combined material frames were all about. They sure look pretty damn nice though.

[rphetteplace]

what's the stem?

[corko]

I don't really get these mixed material frames......

Is it a weight benefit??, performance benefit in terms of tuning the 'ride'??? a particular aesthetic???? because we can???

Teach me.....

apologies fir the repeat Lionel....

[th_boone]

Firefly stem..

That bike is muy, muy caliente.

[boxerboxer]

What is up with that, new model ?

This bicycle is the sex.

[doomridesout]

I'm sure it rides nice but mixing materials of different durabilities always seems like a way to spend for Ti with the durability of carbon.

[Rico]

I don't really get these mixed material frames......

Is it a weight benefit??, performance benefit in terms of tuning the 'ride'??? a particular aesthetic???? because we can???

Teach me.....

apologies fir the repeat Lionel....

+1
Except I live in NC so
learn me...........

[ergott]

1) Ride one and you will understand.

2 )Durability is not an issue here.

[skouri1]

Frankly i think the carbon durability is sort of bogus. At worst you send it to calfee or appleman and for a few hundo theyll set you straight... Steel needs repaints, ti alu and steel crack occasionally... If you crash hard enough to f up one of those tubes, just be happy youre around to complain about repair costs.
This is coming from the owner of a mixed serotta...
This is also coming from someone who got hit by a car...my alu frame was destroyed, carbon or steel would have been, if the ti frame survived (the fork wouldnt in all cases) not sure i would trust it.
This is a cool frame.
Im not sure about the multi material juju... My frame is nice. Would prob buy an all ti if given the option, but cheap, used frames win my heart.

[classtimesailer]

Carbon-Ti looks really really nice with the new Dura Ace. I rode next to a new Seven dressed like that. Very pretty.

[DarrenCT]

the truth is that most of the people spending this kind of money rarely ever ride so it's not a big deal.

beautiful build.

[ergott]

Ouch!

[deepsix]

Comparing this to similar machines- I wonder if the weight/stiffness characteristics of the rear end are really improved by having carbon stays AND a welded Ti sleeved wishbone setup. It seems like a lot of joints and redundant material just to mate those two elements.

In the end this is less important than the fact that I can't take my eyes off the "I" in Firefly.

Mercy.

[donevwil]

Hmmm...

What's the weakest link (or most commonly screwed up area) on a Ti frame, the welds. On a bonded CF frame, the bonds. I know, why not combine the two on a single frame. For that matter let’s add an aluminum fork with bolt-on steerer and a non-replaceable steel derailleur hanger ? Now we're talkin'.

Beautiful bike though.

[corko]

1) Ride one and you will understand.

2 )Durability is not an issue here.

but what initially drew you to this combination?
what does it bring to the table that carbon or TI alone doesn't?

[ergott]

Hmmm...

What's the weakest link (or most commonly screwed up area) on a Ti frame, the welds. On a bonded CF frame, the bonds. I know, why not combine the two on a single frame. For that matter let’s add an aluminum fork with bolt-on steerer and a non-replaceable steel derailleur hanger ? Now we're talkin'.

Beautiful bike though.

It's been done enough to know it works. The guys involved aren't exactly new at frame building either.

It's not for everyone, but I don't get how people that don't build bikes are offering their "technical" expertise to Firefly. I guess I'll have a chat with Sachs and Zanconato on the construction of my bike when my name comes up in queue. They'll be all ears.

[deepsix]

Hmmm...

What's the weakest link (or most commonly screwed up area) on a Ti frame, the welds. On a bonded CF frame, the bonds. I know, why not combine the two on a single frame. For that matter let’s add an aluminum fork with bolt-on steerer and a non-replaceable steel derailleur hanger ? Now we're talkin'.

Beautiful bike though.

This platform makes for some of the nicest riding bikes I've encountered. All the dominant custom Ti houses compete on this front for a very good reason. Both are great materials to make bikes out of- and in this application it is done with lots of success. It is a fully realized concept and typically serves as the flagship offering from some of the most reputable framebuilding operations in the.... ummm.... well... New England.

I really want a fIrefly.