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    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/1...s-hard-to-say/

    Of course cycling is not safe but so what

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    It may not be safe, but it sure is dangerous | Cycling in the South Bay

    "The fantastic ways that you can wreck yourself on a bicycle are limited only by your imagination, bad coordination, poor judgment, inattentiveness, overconfidence, misplaced trust, and lousy timing."

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    Beats sitting around and getting fat.

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    Athletic endeavors can occasionally be dangerous. News at 11.

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    this reminds me of the which bike and gearing thread should you use across the hall
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrenCT View Post
    this reminds me of the which bike and gearing thread should you use across the hall
    Except the issue is really about data and selection bias in sampling. That is to the extent cycling is an unregulated and uninsured activity, there are strong incentives to under report accidents systematically.

    I would think that a great way to assess risk in a normalized way would be to get Strava or Garmin data combine it with survey to derive ncidents per XXX miles.

    Another cool aspect of Strava data is that they carry running data and could therefore compare injury or accident to cycling

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    Scanning the article I saw "comparative statistics ... waxing." And thought I might get some important information. But no.
    Anyway cyclist shaving injuries must be most underreported of all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marle View Post
    Except the issue is really about data and selection bias in sampling. That is to the extent cycling is an unregulated and uninsured activity, there are strong incentives to under report accidents systematically.

    I would think that a great way to assess risk in a normalized way would be to get Strava or Garmin data combine it with survey to derive ncidents per XXX miles.

    Another cool aspect of Strava data is that they carry running data and could therefore compare injury or accident to cycling
    Researching internet porn user data will lead you to the same conclusion about self love frequency.

    I wonder if there is a correlation????

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    America in short: Don't do that, you could put your eye out.

    Or: Had the X been Y feet closer, I could have died!

    Meanwhile, I remember the rep of a famous European maker of camp stoves showing us a new uber-light stove he said would never be sold in the US because they hadn't been able to figure out how to 100% prevent someone from removing the fuel tank while the stove was lit.

    Jars of petroleum jelly say inedible or something to that effect. Cans of Sterno say not for internal use. So does Drano. Etc.

    We'll be okay.
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    Just don't read the comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    America in short: Don't do that, you could put your eye out.

    Or: Had the X been Y feet closer, I could have died!

    Meanwhile, I remember the rep of a famous European maker of camp stoves showing us a new uber-light stove he said would never be sold in the US because they hadn't been able to figure out how to 100% prevent someone from removing the fuel tank while the stove was lit.

    Jars of petroleum jelly say inedible or something to that effect. Cans of Sterno say not for internal use. So does Drano. Etc.

    We'll be okay.
    Therefore because we have so many warning labels to keep dips$*&s from killing themselves ala Darwin style....

    We have a less sophisticated less intellectual society because it's more important (to lawyers anyway) to prevent idjits from hurting themselves and thereby cleaning up the gene pool a bit.

    I dunno if it's correct to blame lawyers wholesale for this; however product liability lawsuits have sure changed the landscape.

    Call me a pyro but there's something about that product managers observation that made me laugh out loud.

    As an RN I get to see the results of questionable behavior years down the road. A lot of my patients would have made different lifestyle choices given a higher (Darwin style) IQ.

    Fun stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukasz View Post
    Just don't read the comments.
    The comments seem to be pretty reasonable to me, mostly anecdotes from former/current riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasRZ View Post
    The comments seem to be pretty reasonable to me, mostly anecdotes from former/current riders.
    Well, there was that woman who said we're all getting brain damage from automobile fumes and how cycling is darwinism at work. That's when I stopped reading. Slightly higher quality of comments than on your usual cycling article.

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    Strava is making cycling more hazardous in some areas. I think it causes some riders to do stupid things on bike paths especially on weekends just because of Strava. Not alone on this opinion, especially among those of us who have been bike riders since late 70's and early 80's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukasz View Post
    Well, there was that woman who said we're all getting brain damage from automobile fumes and how cycling is darwinism at work. That's when I stopped reading. Slightly higher quality of comments than on your usual cycling article.
    C'mon, the comments are the best part! How else are we going to stayed in tune with how stupid we 'Muricans really are

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    Hey it's not just Americans... Canadians too?
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    Sometimes anecdotes illustrate the statistics and the process of risk assessment. Here is my anecdote of what increases risk in riding. I am driving toward an intersection that is mostly a dedicated right turn lane. It has a stop light. There is a cyclist -- earbuds in both ears -- slightly in front of me. I said to my wife, "this is a classic right hook coming up." I slowed down, anticipating the cyclist going straight in a lane where most motorist turn right. He did not have a mirror (nor a tail light) and he just kept going straight and did not turn his head to see what I was doing about the coming intersection. He just seemed oblivious to the traffic and the potential risk of the situation. I slowed and let him pass through the intersection then I turned right. I suspect there are other motorists who would have been less forgiving and it was a setup for a right hook or the cyclist getting pissed because he had to slow or stop because of right turning traffic. Risk assessment is part of riding and risk reduction is part of riding. This fellow did neither. Makes it harder for me each time I go through the same intersection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marle View Post
    Except the issue is really about data and selection bias in sampling. That is to the extent cycling is an unregulated and uninsured activity, there are strong incentives to under report accidents systematically.

    I would think that a great way to assess risk in a normalized way would be to get Strava or Garmin data combine it with survey to derive ncidents per XXX miles.

    Another cool aspect of Strava data is that they carry running data and could therefore compare injury or accident to cycling
    Not enough factors considered in the story -- too broad. Slightly wider tires run at proper pressures not riding above your head is what it's all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marle View Post
    Except the issue is really about data and selection bias in sampling. That is to the extent cycling is an unregulated and uninsured activity, there are strong incentives to under report accidents systematically.

    I would think that a great way to assess risk in a normalized way would be to get Strava or Garmin data combine it with survey to derive ncidents per XXX miles.

    Another cool aspect of Strava data is that they carry running data and could therefore compare injury or accident to cycling
    Not enough factors considered in the story -- too broad. Slightly wider tires run at proper pressures not riding above your head is what it's all about.

    Any actuary who rides would consider speed/time/location is a small part of the story.
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    The key attributes captured by Garmin are frequency and duration.

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