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    OK- Here I go again and take the dive into another frame. It's been 5 years since I started my previous ones, 2 years after completing them. Some of you know that my excuse for the long completion period was loosing my first wife. This time around my reason for the "what will be a too long a process" will be my new life and the time spent getting houses sold and bought. This frame might not be the first to be finished off in a different shop then it started in.

    I will post a shot or two as I get steps done, but I won't take up too much of this forum's band width. Most of the photos and discriptions will be found on my Flicker Site. The photos I do post will be the more interesting ones. Unique aspects, home made tooling and that sort. Less fine lug shore lines and more process.

    So #830 will be a classic dimensioned road bike with S&S couplers. My first one with them. It will have some SS bits, mostly the cable fittings, head badge and the couplings. The lugs have a little bit of scallop at what were the points. Construction will reflect my 30+ years of playing around, some bronze, some Silver.

    My flicker is Bikesbystewart-- Stewart #830 - a set on Flickr --is the set for this bike.

    The attached shots are of the initial braze on making. Being a life long shop wrench (and in the bike business that means you do a lot more) I have spent a lot of skin and frustration in dealing with the way commercial bikes are rigged. Cable stops too close to things, too much interference with accessories, casing loops too tight, bottle bosses poorly positioned or off center. You know the ilk. As i progressed with my building i have tried to have my braze ons reflect a working style. Easy to detatch cables to service, rack and fenders with clear strut pathways, bottles low and easy to remove. These initial braze ons are the result of all this. Visit over the weeks/months and see how they fit together and why. Andy.

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    Looking good! I'm excited to see this start coming together. I dig the lug styling. Where did you pick up the S&S couplers?

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    Can't wait to see it come together! I'll be sure to chime in with stuff you taught me on the forums as if I came up with it myself ;-)

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    Too good not to share out loud.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
    Being a life long shop wrench (and in the bike business that means you do a lot more) I have spent a lot of skin and frustration in dealing with the way commercial bikes are rigged. Cable stops too close to things, too much interference with accessories, casing loops too tight, bottle bosses poorly positioned or off center. You know the ilk.
    Boy, I sure do.
    makes me cringe - I worked cabling bikes for Gore in the race pits for 7yrs on top of wrenching solid since 89' - 1-2" long housing pieces makes me pissy.
    Smooth arcs make me happy.
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    What doe the number 830 mean atmo?

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    All- Thanks for you interest. I'll post as I do steps or to answer questions.

    Todd- The S&S came from S&S directly. I got them for evaluation and experiment use only 3 years ago and finally am checking them out. As i am not insured i can not sell them or install them on a frame for another. They are beautifully machined and are the biggest challenge this frame offers me. I have done only smaller stainless steel bits before. I will practice with SS tubing and plate a few more times before I go onto the actual couplers.

    Richard- I think you know that I haven't made 829 frames... But I have done 37 (Over 34 years). Yes a simple system, reverse the serial number to find the frame's build number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post

    Richard- I think you know that I haven't made 829 frames... But I have done 37 (Over 34 years). Yes a simple system, reverse the serial number to find the frame's build number.

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    Attachment 47764Attachment 47765
    Some more progress in a short session tonight. Prepping the chain stays and drops. First shot is the lining up of the stays within the drops and shell WRT the tire's fat point, but this will be modified later as needed. Second it the finished stay/drop before brazing. It's the inside of the drive side and shows the extra clearance needed for the cog to not scrape the stay on wheel removal.

    A few more shots showing intermediate steps on my Flicker site with more text too. Andy.

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    PS- I guess I don't know how to fully manage images, sorry about the double shots...
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    I just flexed my moderator muscle for the first time and fixed the double images for you. I feel dirty for editing another person's post.

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    Attachment 47879Attachment 47880Attachment 47881Three more shots here. Fork and stay stuff still. Some brazing in a week or so but other projects will need attention first. Andy.
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    Attachment 48032Attachment 48033The study painting got put on hold so was able to braze up some things. Seat tube to shell, drop outs to both blades and chain stays. All three steps use home made fixtures. Here's two shots, more on Flicker at Stewart #830 - a set on Flickr Thanks for looking, Andy.
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    It's been a while since I added to the photo record of my new build. Did a lot of filing and ate some turkey. Today got around to the step that's new to me, the S&S coulpers. I made a brazing jig a few months ago in antisipation. Also shown is the new to me Brignelli fork jig. Up to now I have used a home made one or done a free clamped method off a vice and bench top. So these next steps have a it more anxiety then usual. The included shot is of the set up for cutting the tube where the coupler will be. Not visible are the tube's butt location, the shots on Flicker do show this. In the backround is the coupler brazing jig. Andy

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    very cool, love seeing everyones processes and personal touches/details

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    The progress continues. I have a few comments about simple tube/shell alignment on my Flicker shots. These are not those. Andy.




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    Hi Andy,

    Can you tell me any history about your fork blade bender casting? I have one just like it that I acquired from another builder, but don't know anything about it and I have never seen another before yours here.

    Thank you!

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    Dave- The Alu casting was bought many years ago, from who I don't remember (maybe Nova). It is like, but not, the Hammermill form. The radius is about 22". As i showed i clamp it in my vice and use the old blade as a lever.

    I remember some one else mentioning that they had the mold for this form and was going to run off a batch. Since I already had mine I didn't record or pursue this. This was, maybe, 15+ years ago.

    Since then i have aquired a couple of wooden forms (9" and 6") made by some one who frequented another email list. Again i don't find the reciept or his name.

    Not much help, sorry. Andy.
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    Thank you....and sorry for the thread hijack. I was just curious. I got mined from another builder many years ago, who got it at an estate sale for another builder who had died and so I was curious of its origins. A photo of mine is below. I added the tip clamp and the paint. The original owner had added the 1/4" plate steel base. I also have some wooden benders, but use this one the most.

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    Attachment 48925Today I continued wth my fork assembly and brazed the couplers into my TT and DT. Photos are on my Flicker site.

    I will say here that I learned and relearned a few things. Relearned that gaps count although they can be worked with. Learned about flux traveling beyond the applied area and the fear that filler followed.

    If this was a holiday TV show I'd be running back to my adoring family. Instead I have a lot of fine filing to look forward to... Andy.
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    Since I brazed up the couplers and fork I've aquired my first cold/flu for the season. Lots of time staying home but little motivation to do much... I have finish filed/sanded the couplers. This shot looks A LOT nicer then the above post's shot. I forgot that I like to start with the worst done brazing first. Did one really quickly then saw the globby ones and went to them next. I loaded a few shots of the finishing process on Flicker and, as usual, made more comments. Including the answer to my S&S Couplers thread question of the other day.Attachment 49000
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    I started to set up the jig (HJ Universal) but have a few mm's here and there to chase down before I miter the tubes. Hopefully that will be my next installment. Now to find the jig's manual and try to find those silly little millimeters. Andy
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