VELOCIPEDE SALON - The VSalon Frame Forum http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/ A place for to chat about building bicycle frames and related topics. en Wed, 22 May 2013 03:35:32 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/images/misc/rss.png VELOCIPEDE SALON - The VSalon Frame Forum http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/ <![CDATA[Don't throw out that old PPG DBU!]]> http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/dont-throw-out-old-ppg-dbu-33033.html Tue, 21 May 2013 16:12:05 GMT man, I probably have $500 worth of PPG's old DBU line of 2-part basecoat-clearcoat system paints. So I mix it up with the DRR reducer and it clots up! PPG has wiothdrawn DBU and replaced it with DBC which doesn't take a catalyst, you just thin it with DT. Are you with me on this?

So I had a repaint in this week, the client wanted gunmetal metallic, which I had in DBU. I gave a quote that was reasonable unless I had to buy a new can of paint. Thank god for the internet:


Attn paint gurus: PPG DBU problem - THE H.A.M.B.

So I did what came naturally, mixed the DBU with DT and shot it. Came out pretty nice, too. I plan to give the job a light clearcoat as per the forum advice, then the decals and then a couple good coats of clear5.

jn ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum jon_norstog http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/dont-throw-out-old-ppg-dbu-33033.html Researching Your Past atmo - http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/researching-your-past-atmo-33027.html Tue, 21 May 2013 11:37:53 GMT 'Saw a segment on Antiques Roadshow last night that may make me do
a complete rethink in times when asked about an pre-owned RS atmo.

Tiffany & Co. | Frequently Asked Questions | Archive Services FAQ | | United States ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum e-RICHIE http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/researching-your-past-atmo-33027.html Reenforcing Gussets or Plates - at the HT under the DT and top of the TT - ? http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/reenforcing-gussets-plates-ht-under-dt-top-tt-33025.html Tue, 21 May 2013 05:45:47 GMT I'm interested in why some builders use gussets or reenforcing plates underneath the DT, and sometimes on the top of the TT as well. I understand that it essentially makes wall thicker in the area that is high stress against the HT, but I'm curious to know about the arguments for or against. Seen by and large on MTB and CX machines, I see builders such as Hunter and Soulcraft use them, while it seems the majority of builders do not.

Thank you in advance. ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum Mr_Rafi http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/reenforcing-gussets-plates-ht-under-dt-top-tt-33025.html this little flat on the end of the tungsten http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/little-flat-end-tungsten-33017.html Mon, 20 May 2013 20:50:04 GMT What does it do never tried it, never taught to grind a flat on ,was always taught tungstens are pointy What does it do never tried it, never taught to grind a flat on ,was always taught tungstens are pointy ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum Mike Mcdermid http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/little-flat-end-tungsten-33017.html Persons branding, brands personing, persons personing, ewheuonuo! http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/persons-branding-brands-personing-persons-personing-ewheuonuo-33015.html Mon, 20 May 2013 20:00:07 GMT Not really sure of what actually asking, exposing or whatevering this post is about, kind of a deformed abstraction of isolated thoughts on the... Not really sure of what actually asking, exposing or whatevering this post is about, kind of a deformed abstraction of isolated thoughts on the "branding" related post and some deviations on sometimed felt worms.

Boring enough already. So, having in mind the already spoked approach to "branding" and how the person behind a brand defines the brand in itself, here very randomized questions:
-How dependant are one from the other? or how independent can they become?
- Person behind evolves in many different possible ways, and sometimes situations can even face this person at an opposite place to the person from the very day before in drastic-ish change. Will this mean a drastic change intself on the brand? Can the brand survive with its own personality or will definetly be defeated by the "sould" behind?
- Same way a person evolves and have a personality and approach, might it happen to the brand in itself go then the other way around being the brand (what the brand has become) the one deciding on the person behind? How much power does IT have over HIM/HER?
-Does the person behind have some kind of responsability or debts to such intangible thing as the brand?
-Does the brand have total loyalty to the person behind even if jumping from the roof?


I can see the obvious answers to such stupid questions, again, not really sure what is the question here, probably none, just opening a door and see what's out there.

I know... I know... sorry ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum Amaro Bikes http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/persons-branding-brands-personing-persons-personing-ewheuonuo-33015.html First attempts at bending http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/first-attempts-bending-33000.html Sat, 18 May 2013 23:51:28 GMT Ok, I've got a form, and have tried on a few scrap chain stays because they seem pretty similar to fork blades. I'm finding that they kinda... de-ovalize near the bend. Like, the section that's bent is wider and has a more circular cross section than the rest. Otherwise, the blades are smooth.

Is this unsafe? Is this just because I'm maybe not as careful getting the blade rotated 100% straight on practice stuff? Any ideas? ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum veryredbike http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/first-attempts-bending-33000.html New Rear Disc Mount on canti frame? http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/new-rear-disc-mount-canti-frame-32992.html Sat, 18 May 2013 07:01:19 GMT I have one of these Singular Kite (http://www.singularcycles.com/shop/index.php/frames/singular-kite.html) and would like to put discs on the back... I have one of these
Singular Kite
and would like to put discs on the back
(as well as a new disc specific fork)

Is this safe?
Is this possible?
Is it worth it?
I love this frame straight out of the box but would like it to stop a little more efficiently
Thanks for any advice
cheers
Rick ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum baldbones http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/new-rear-disc-mount-canti-frame-32992.html A Good Source for Straight Gauge Stainless Tubing? http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/good-source-straight-gauge-stainless-tubing-32990.html Sat, 18 May 2013 02:47:03 GMT I'm looking for either some 14mm OD Stainless Tubing or Pipe for a new bike I'm working on. Anyone know where to track this down?

Tried McMaster and Misumi already no go.

Thanks - Todd ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum ToddFarr http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/good-source-straight-gauge-stainless-tubing-32990.html <![CDATA[Lug Angles & Tollerance]]> http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/lug-angles-tollerance-32938.html Tue, 14 May 2013 21:42:08 GMT Greetings all. I'm new to the forum, and working on my first frame. As my design develops, I am finding that the angles of available lugs don't always match up with what one wants to build. How many degrees of wiggle room are there in a lug before one has to start cutting, brazing and modifying the lug to a new angle.

Thanks,

Mike Gordon
Highland Park, IL ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum Michael Gordon http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/lug-angles-tollerance-32938.html How do framebuilders feel about their logo? http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/how-do-framebuilders-feel-about-their-logo-32934.html Tue, 14 May 2013 18:00:44 GMT After reading and checking out some framebuilders websites, I'm wondering how firm a framebuilder is that his name, or chosen name, appears on the frame? I don't doubt there are many fine framebuilders, but I don't want a frame that says Odd Job or Dubble Trubble on it, no matter how outstanding it is.

We all know how many people will buy a set of wheels because they have that cool logo which grabs their attention, sometimes even before they know what components the wheel has. How many people have avoided or walked away from a frame because they couldn't stand to see some weird or cartoony name on it? Or some odd font?

Are there builders that will let you put what you want on the frame? Or change the look of their logo to suit the person buying it? Or let you put your last name, or something that has special meaning? Is that not the true definition of a custom frame? ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum keppler http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/how-do-framebuilders-feel-about-their-logo-32934.html Alex Meade meets Henry James http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/alex-meade-meets-henry-james-32933.html Tue, 14 May 2013 16:27:04 GMT These are some adapters I had Alex Meade make up so I could mount a mid BB shell in my HJ Universal jig. They have a side benefit in they keep the... These are some adapters I had Alex Meade make up so I could mount a mid BB shell in my HJ Universal jig. They have a side benefit in they keep the shell from warming too much when I weld. I use OA welding on my BMX bikes and that really throws a lot of heat. They fit perfectly first time out.

FWIW you **can** use the HJ cones to set up a Mid shell, just barely, but you cannot reach the setscrew that holds them in place, so it is a little iffy.

jn

"Thursday"

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]]> The VSalon Frame Forum jon_norstog http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/alex-meade-meets-henry-james-32933.html Nicols mill for sale, yes im selling another one http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/nicols-mill-sale-yes-im-selling-another-one-32923.html Mon, 13 May 2013 17:40:56 GMT I decided to let another machine go, so I can make room for more machines, sounds like a downward spiral, haha link to classifieds and videos of... I decided to let another machine go, so I can make room for more machines, sounds like a downward spiral, haha
link to classifieds and videos of machine. http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum...uis-32920.html

would possibly be willing to deliver within a reasonable days drive, in exchange for some shop time with a reputable established builder, PM or email me if you think this is a situation you fall in and are willing to discuss details. ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum sam http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/nicols-mill-sale-yes-im-selling-another-one-32923.html polished 559 rims? http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/polished-559-rims-32897.html Sat, 11 May 2013 18:31:11 GMT anybody got a lead on where one might find a set of these? have a touring frame at the painter, basically an LHT copy for a fellow sufferer of the... anybody got a lead on where one might find a set of these? have a touring frame at the painter, basically an LHT copy for a fellow sufferer of the napoleonic complex, designed around 26" wheels. i know cr-18s came polished in this size for a long time, but apparently not anymore. otherwise it looks like i'm either gonna polished a set of brushed ones myself, give up on that aesthetic, or last resort run it 650b (there's more than enough clearance to easily do this... 'cept for the obvious standover sacrifice).

any thoughts appreciated. ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum adashner http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/polished-559-rims-32897.html frame disaster professional builders? http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/frame-disaster-professional-builders-32889.html Sat, 11 May 2013 06:01:07 GMT I am just starting to building frames, and as a newbie it is quite easy to make a fatal error that makes your frame useless. A question came to my... I am just starting to building frames, and as a newbie it is quite easy to make a fatal error that makes your frame useless. A question came to my mind: what if this happens to a professional builder ? . I know that this would be difficult, but errors happens sometimes... . I wonder what happens if you have to redo a frame when you are almost finished, the deliver to the customer delay.. etc won't be an easy situation for someone who live of it, not for a hobbist ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum Virgin Steele http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/frame-disaster-professional-builders-32889.html Geometry and fit for the frame builder http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/geometry-fit-frame-builder-32881.html Fri, 10 May 2013 12:35:42 GMT Good morning guys, I was wondering if you could shed some light or at least point me in the right direction for reading material. I'm trying to wrap my head around how frame builders arrive to the geometry they use for a customer. When I follow links to most of your websites, you all seem to have a form asking the customer to provide you with their basic body measurements as well as their current bike setup. My goal here is to build a bike for my brother (birthday is coming up), but I'd like to know how to measure him correctly. Here is an example where I'm a bit confused:

My friend and I are the same height, he has slightly longer legs...around 1.5" taller inseam. He has always ridden 58's, I typically ride 56's. When I hop on his bike, it is freaking HUGE on me and on my bike very small on him. When I compare some of the geometries of his bike versus mine, there is almost no difference.

I guess my question is, what is your process and what considerations do you keep in mind for sizing a frame to a customer? I'm interested to see how alike or different everyone's process is. Thanks! ]]> The VSalon Frame Forum seankanary http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f10/geometry-fit-frame-builder-32881.html